Spaced Out Ace
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I manage just fine without the editor if needed. Sounds like a you problem.
Boss GT-1000 (and possibly other things Boss...)
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Sascha Franck
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You don't seem to get it. Compared to the competition, editing is abysmally bad (especially on unit editing). Proveably - so there's no "opinion", "you problems" or whatever you make out of it, period.
ian_dissonance
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Is it as easy as Helix? Absolutely not. Is it hard to use? Eh. Only when the name of stuff doesn’t make sense, lol.
Sascha Franck
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I said so very often: It's not about hard vs. easy. It's about quick vs. slow. And absolutely any operation you do on the GT is *vastly* slower than a comparable operation on the Helix.
Sascha Franck
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No need to try out the entire palette of emojis, @Spaced Out Ace - I get that you don't get it.
ian_dissonance
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Vastly might be an exaggeration. Something that would take me 10 seconds on Helix might take 13 on the Boss, but I get all that time back with my live presets via Stompbox settings.
Spaced Out Ace
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I totally get that you're not a fan and are nitpicking every little thing on a device you don't like. Go play something else you actually like.
Sascha Franck
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No, depending on what you're doing, the differences are *way* bigger, especially in case you're clever enough to assign blocks you adjust often to the capacitive switches on the HX Floor.
If you'd adjust, say, an amp and a delay on a patch on the GT, that's already sufficient to drive you mad, especially as Boss stupidly decided to have the relevant tonestack parameters on page 2 of the amp block. Seriously? What has been shitting in their brains? Put amp model, resonance and sag there because these are the ones you set in advance. For quick tweakings you want the tonestack top pop up immediately.
So, adjust delay (typically sitting near the end of a signal chain), then scroll all the way to the amp block, go to page two, then scroll back to your delay (or any other block...), rinse and repeat. Let alone the stupid thing doesn't remember the last selected block when you recall a patch but always jumps to the beginning og the chain.
When doing the same stuff on the Floor with the delay assigned to a switch, the differences are drastic.
Let alone the awfull font design on the GT and the hard to decipher differences between active and bypassed blocks.
Really, anything UI related on the GTs is just plain bad.
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Tell me you didn't even remotely read the thread without telling me you didn't even remotely read the thread.
But hey, thanks for outing yourself.
JiveTurkey
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Can't you assign things globally to the physical knobs? I was thinking you could last I knew?
ian_dissonance
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You can, and unless you’re taking you hand off the select knob at each block it takes like one good twist and one soft twist to get stuff at the end of the chain. It’s really not a time suck unless you want it to be, IMO. And unlike Helix, if I need to adjust my gate for a noisy room on my live presets I do it once and then the rest of the patches I need are adjusted, or if I want to dial down some lows, same thing.
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Yes, but only single parameters and the fact that it's *only* global is a drawback.
Let alone the encoder-press in patch mode can only serve the purpose of +/-10 value in/decrements, which has got to be the worst missed opportunity ever.
I already described how it's using up *way* more time than on the HX Floor for various reasons.
Very obviously, global blocks are kickass. And possibly *the* main reason I'm keeping the GT.
JiveTurkey
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Everything has a tradeoff. There is not a 100% perfect device. That's not to say we shouldn't provide feedback in hopes of improvement but of all the bigger names; Boss is going to be dead last in listening to what their customers have to say in this particular space 
I genuinely think that Helix GUI is vastly superior to GT one. Actually, I think that any new modeler not having Helix friendliness level in its GUI is flawed nowadays. There´s no excuse anymore. All new offerings should be Helix and up in this regard (QC, Ampero, etc).
Not saying the old ones are difficult to use (I use a Boss MS-3), it´s just that they´re not as friendly.
So, if someone posts here saying that GT1K GUI is super easy yadda yadda, what a great feature yadda yadda, and what not... well, as Sascha said, that person might have not heard about current modelers in every price range (all cheap and expensive units, but Fractal, have a better GUI... Zoom, Mooer, Nux, Sonicake, Valeton... hell, even Boss GX-100).
Actually, that person has discovered a couple days ago that capturing is somehow static, while modelling simulates the behaviour of amp controls... and came here to tell all of us, ignorants, those pros/cons of both technologies, and especifically that Boss amp sims run circles around NAM profiles.
ian_dissonance
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I just think “way” slower is not accurate. Putting together a couple banks of presets for two bands took me like 30 minutes, and most of that was spent just figuring out which sounds were going to be the core and my signal chains so I could get spillover across presets and figuring out a couple oddly-labeled parameters for assigns. After that, save everything as stomboxes and then another minute or two of tweaking after a set run-through to get FX levels and EQ set for stage volume and I’m pretty much done for live stuff. I was also pretty concerned I was going to hate the amp modeling, but the X-amps for high gain sound like a “finished” album sound with all of the buss processing and stuff already on without losing the immediacy that I feel like a do on the Helix when I start trying to add post-amp compression and tape saturation and stuff. Add to that whatever the fuck MDP is doing makes my dummy-low stuff sound clear as a bell while still being saturated. For me it’s also faster because of how limited some of the FX are. A lot of times a simple delay with the high cut rolled down to 2K is all I need, but in Helix I would find myself A/B’ing a bunch of stuff to find a “vibe”.
Spaced Out Ace
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Sasha Banks has been pretty negative about most of what the GT-1000/GT-1000 Core offers, but I'm "outing" myself. Lmao. Your posts are plainly visible on the forum for all to view, but please, continue on. If you hate it so much, again, go get a Helix or HX Stomp.
Sascha Franck
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As said, you didn't even remotely read this thread. So rather stop making yourself look even sillier than you already are.
What? We should be understanding things in a totally different way. Sascha uses a GT1K as his main rig, while he could use any other unit.
He just states the things he don´t like, that´s all. Every unit has things We don´t personally like. I dont´agree with him in every subject he posts, but saying that he is negative in most of what GT1K offers is just false.
Spaced Out Ace
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"I am negative and critical in every one of my posts, but I totally don't hate it, and someone suggesting I get something else is making themselves look foolish, not I, who should probably take the suggestion to heart, but refuse to."
Spaced Out Ace
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Again, he's critical in the majority of his posts, and any "pro" is given with a caveat or negated by things he dislikes.
