Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)

I couldn’t hold out.
I’m a Tonocrat.
Hmmm that ^ looks like ‘ton o crap’.

Oh well, it sounds really good and I’m already faster working within the app than TONEX and it has delay and a reverb that is equal or better.

I’m hoping they have hardware in the future and that you can audition and edit the captures/preset in the same window of the ‘librarian’ unlike TONEX.

Tape delay and midi control of the plug in/app would be my first two demands if I had any sway. Then iOS version but I’m wondering if it’s possible because I had to set buffer up around 400 something instead of 96 or 64 where I run TONEX and NDSP Plini. Maybe a ‘player only’ version would optimize it to run on an iPad if the current version won’t. I guess that’s a bit of a niche customer group there.
 
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so I've just learned that if you create a model in demo mode, it goes straight to the cloud and its public for everyone. You have no say in whether it’s public or not unless you pay for the software. The same is true of NAM models and IR’s - if you can’t connect to the cloud, then they ain’t allowed in the app. Massive WTF, why do Atomic need my NAM and IR libraries?

The more I think about that, its one of the most absurd, manipulative and sly demo limitations I've ever seen. At first I just kind of laughed at it, but the more I think about it, its pretty appalling. It basically exploits demo users to improve the product without them knowing. I can't think of any commercial plugin doing something like this, ever.

"hope you don't mind, we have servers to pay for"
 
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MirrorProfiles said:
so I've just learned that if you create a model in demo mode, it goes straight to the cloud and its public for everyone. You have no say in whether its public or not unless you pay for the software.

The more I think about that, its one of the most absurd, manipulative and sly demo limitations I've ever seen. At first I just kind of laughed at it, but the more I think about it, its pretty appalling. It basically exploits demo users to improve the product without them knowing. I can't think of any commercial plugin doing something like this, ever.

"hope you don't mind, we have servers to pay for"
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I think you are reaching for a conspiracy there. It’s a limited demo. You don’t own it so you have no artistic rights to any footprints you leave on the beach at some resort you took a day tour on.
So don’t create a masterpiece on someone else’s cloud. It’s not as if capturing or tweaking an amp model preset is going to result in anything you should need to protect. If you capture your favorite Marshall and they keep it on the cloud who is harmed? You or Marshall?
 
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I don't like that this product depends on the cloud for capture. What if this is abandonware in a year?
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Could be a problem. Maybe it wouldn’t be hard for someone to write an app that redirects the cloud destination search to ‘find’ your cpu?
I don’t know if that is as easy to do as it was to type but it seems like it could happen.
im probably going to be fine with all the captures other people make so I’m not too concerned.
 
Enchilada Jones said:
I think you are reaching for a conspiracy there. It’s a limited demo. You don’t own it so you have no artistic rights to any footprints you leave on the beach at some resort you took a day tour on.
So don’t create a masterpiece on someone else’s cloud. It’s not as if capturing or tweaking an amp model preset is going to result in anything you should need to protect. If you capture your favorite Marshall and they keep it on the cloud who is harmed? You or Marshall?
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The issue for me is that if its a demo - you should be able to use it freely without giving them something in return. This is giving them an exchange of something, its not a free demo. The goal should be that the user is so impressed with the demo that they want to buy the product and share what they create. What if I'm still figuring out the best way to create models, or a day later I'm not happy with the model? Demo user or not, they should have some control over what is shared publicly.

But even worse, the user isn't told this at any point. If they make it explicitly clear that in return for trying the software and making a model, that they will keep the model unless you cough up. If this isn't made clear to the user, its snide AF. I don't mind sharing information for the most part, but I don't like when a company just decides what to take and defines what is and isnt fair.

Its a demo, it shouldn't be a mining exercise for Atomic to boost their portfolio for free. and if it is a mining exercise, then they should tell the user "BY THE WAY, THIS PRODUCT ISN'T AS FREE AS IT SEEMS". At first I thought it was just a trivial quirk, but the more I think about it, its absolutely not cool and not how I want a software company to operate. I'm not aware of any plugin company (or HW modeller) doing anything like this.

FWIW, to add a NAM model to your library with the demo version, you also have to be online. So I must assume that these also get added to Atomic's online stash. This needs to made abundantly clear to any user (customer or demo). I only found the error message because for whatever reason, Tonocracy is having connection issues/bugs. This could get incredibly messy for people who are using 3rd party IR's and NAM models if they have no control on where they are being uploaded and how they are being used and shared.

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another massive red flag....

Just looking at the cloud captures, and loads of users are uploading random "test" captures with minimal information/sorting. That's not an issue (well it is actually), but I'm sure they'd prefer not to have their email address displayed publicly for everyone. Why on earth does that information need to be visible to anyone who uses the app?

I'm not claiming any conspiracy with this, but its incredibly naive and uncool to treat POTENTIAL customers information and data like this.
 
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James Freeman said:
Wait, the app sharing customers emails publicly by default?
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I dont think its by default, its related to the username you create. But you dont have any kind of user area within the app and you cant choose a display name or anything. So I think some unwitting users have put their username as their email address and how its showing up within the app.

LOL at the lack of information or manual on the website, so you only find this stuff out either while testing it, or when there's an error message because they aren't able to pinch your files. Should never have been released like this, and it sucks to only find out by testing the product.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
I dont think its by default, its related to the username you create. But you dont have any kind of user area within the app and you cant choose a display name or anything. So I think some unwitting users have put their username as their email address and how its showing up within the app.

LOL at the lack of information or manual on the website, so you only find this stuff out either while testing it, or when there's an error message because they aren't able to pinch your files. Should never have been released like this, and it sucks to only find out by testing the product.
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Jason Bateman No GIF by Emmys
 
didnt atomic go MIA for a long time recently? i thought i saw at the other place where people were trying to contact them and werent getting any responses.
 
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