80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

Everyone, even pros, spend time playing at home. The stat is not specifying how many are never playing gigs.

Another way to put it: 80% of players live in an apartment, condo or attached house where they cannot play loud. (I would say that much more than 80%).

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paisleywookiee said:
What about real humans performing AI music? God that’d be sad.
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It's likely happening already, with anything copyright related being as muddy as it gets in Suno (et al) land.
I mean, you can just have Suno create a song (and by now the quality is almost release-ready) and claim it'd be your composition/production. Nobody would ever be able to really tell anymore.

Any efforts to adress these issues will either be just a shortterm success only or aren't even wanted as so far, the big players make a profit.
There's very little doubt that AI created music will pretty much entirely take over any markets making profit when it comes to recorded music.

If you had an advertising agency today, it'd almost be (economically) stupid not to reach out for an AI service supplying the jingle for your new cereal spot.
The video clips themselves being the next victim of that trend (have a look at just how good Google's VEO 3 already is).
And finally, the advertising agencies will be out of business, too, as the company looking for a new cereal ad will just go all the way straight to VEO 3.

Next to follow: Movie composers. And then movie makers, directors included. Just come up with a plot and type it in as a prompt. Once the legal issues are sorted (or irrelevant), you'll be able to have an authentic 40y old Greta Garbo playing the daughter of an as authentic 80y old Scarlett Johansson as well, add Charlie Chaplin as Garbo's 10y old son if you like.

Sorry for the OT stuff - but that's what things will be like. To get back more on topic: For musicians, what'll be left will be self-sufficient home noodling and playing live. Which could even be OK as the entire business around recorded music is as fucked up as it gets since a long time already. So maybe we'll see a renaissance of decent live clubs (at least over here they're dying a lot since quite some time).
 
James Freeman said:
Replying to tiltle;
It's time to stop being ashamed for being bedroom player, and freaking own it.

I AM A BEDROOM PLAYER, I OWN MANY TUBE AMPS, 4x12 CABS, PEDALS AND MODELERS, AND I LOVE IT!
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Just to clarify I have nothing against bedroom players at all, there's nothing wrong or less about that.
I prefer playing guitar in a band, though.

And I'm a 100% piano, bass and in the past drums bedroom player.

I've only found interesting the number spat out by Lee in that video.
 
Piing said:
Everyone, even pros, spend time playing at home. The stat is not specifying how many are never playing gigs.

Another way to put it: 80% of players live in an apartment, condo or attached house where they cannot play loud. (I would say that much more than 80%).

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I'm pretty sure the "home player" (I wrote bedroom by mistake) is a common and well understood definton that lousley mean "palyer that don't play in bands / mainly play at home for himself / the focus - when deciding what to buy or not - is not about performing live music"

Is not about how much time you spend palying wihtin your home walls, is about what kind of player you are, and how you define yourself (because this is how these reserarches are made, you define yourslef within a series of options), what drives you when you buy somenthing, what are your needs as a player.
 
Sascha Franck said:
It's likely happening already, with anything copyright related being as muddy as it gets in Suno (et al) land.
I mean, you can just have Suno create a song (and by now the quality is almost release-ready) and claim it'd be your composition/production. Nobody would ever be able to really tell anymore.

Any efforts to adress these issues will either be just a shortterm success only or aren't even wanted as so far, the big players make a profit.
There's very little doubt that AI created music will pretty much entirely take over any markets making profit when it comes to recorded music.

If you had an advertising agency today, it'd almost be (economically) stupid not to reach out for an AI service supplying the jingle for your new cereal spot.
The video clips themselves being the next victim of that trend (have a look at just how good Google's VEO 3 already is).
And finally, the advertising agencies will be out of business, too, as the company looking for a new cereal ad will just go all the way straight to VEO 3.

Next to follow: Movie composers. And then movie makers, directors included. Just come up with a plot and type it in as a prompt. Once the legal issues are sorted (or irrelevant), you'll be able to have an authentic 40y old Greta Garbo playing the daughter of an as authentic 80y old Scarlett Johansson as well, add Charlie Chaplin as Garbo's 10y old son if you like.

Sorry for the OT stuff - but that's what things will be like. To get back more on topic: For musicians, what'll be left will be self-sufficient home noodling and playing live. Which could even be OK as the entire business around recorded music is as fucked up as it gets since a long time already. So maybe we'll see a renaissance of decent live clubs (at least over here they're dying a lot since quite some time).
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I don’t doubt any of this, and it’s depressing.
 
paisleywookiee said:
I don’t doubt any of this, and it’s depressing.
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Absolutely.
And it's even more depressing how everyone and his mum is jumping onto the AI train already.
Sure, there's some good reasons to use, say, ChatGPT instead of Google or a forum or something - but that's only so when gathering information.
Once it comes to a lot of other things, it'll just ruin sooo many things. Especially true for anything related to creativity. I mean, there's just no shortage of kickass music and highly qualified people willing to work for whatever it might be (even for less than big bucks). So, Suno and Co. aren't about boosting music quality, they're exclusively about maximizing profits.

Along related lines: I'm a member of a rather small-ish german (home-)recording-oriented forum, and it's quite horrifying to see how many people take advance of AI instead of getting their fucking hands dirty and learn a thing here and there. And that's without any monetary intent. Some folks even post "their" works without clearly stating what was AI and what was their part in it. Embarassment de luxe.

IMO, while I'm a huge fan of technology as helping tool in general, I think AI will ultimately break our necks in many many cases (I'm not gonna start with examples outside of the music realm because that'd easily take us into (geo)political mayhem). Skynet will very likely become reality. It will very likely look differently, but it's gonna happen in one or the other incarnation.
 
OrganicZed said:
The genre isn’t rock.

I agree, the volume restriction is quite low, but this is not a venue with a cover charge.



Not a retirement home, but many in attendance are senior citizens. People complain if the music is “too loud”. I’m not trying to be cryptic but the current forum rules preclude me from being more explicit about the particulars.
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You’re allowed to say it’s a church, only the discussion of what’s said at church is off limits!
 
Chocol8 said:
Your circle of friends is EXTREMELY atypical.
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I guess you're right, otherwise statistics would have told us a different story.

All my closest friends are musicians so maybe I get along only with a specific kind of human being.
 
There are certainly times when the distinction between a home player and a gigging player is of importance, mainly in the durability and volume discussions. A lot of debates could have been ended early had the disctinction been made early on, IE- Quad Cortex PSU debates; the guys who are never going to put it on a stage really don’t have anything to worry about, so you’ll see repeatedly “It’s not an issue” as they’re not accounting for people rolling roadcases across stages indiscriminately or singers who walk around with the mic stand and plant it firmly on the edge of a pedalboard mid-performance, or in a reverse scenario, the guys talking about the Marshall Studio series amps and how well they’ve worked live for them not really thinking that a home player is most certainly going to need an attenuator to even turn on one. In nearly every thread I’ve seen on those amps someone is surprised they had to buy an attenuator.

But outside of that there’s not a huge amount of importance on the distinction.

I know I personally won’t buy anything that I don’t think is ideal for live situations and even when I had no interest in playing in a band I knew it’d be a possibility again so that consideration never really left my mind. I’m certainly appreciative that the larger gear world continues to make gear that’ll serve both the home and gigging player just as well. There’s surely a ton of money in materials alone they could save money on by making pedals/modelers with plastic cases instead of metal ones and 100watt amps would probably have gone extinct a long ass time ago had they only paid attention to the 80%.
 
metropolis_4 said:
Two trends I’ve noticed in the past 25 years:
  1. More products are designed and marketed towards home players, not working musicians. It seems like most gear was marketed towards working musicians in the past
  2. More players have only experienced digital emulations of gear at home and have no experience using the real thing. Especially live.
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I'd add a third trend:

More products have a much longer and more complex signal chain that goes beyond traditional guitar rigs.

When I was starting out in the 90's I had a guitar, amp, and a few pedals. I eventually got into recording but I wasn't worrying about speaker cabs and microphones and positions and EQ and compression and all that stuff. There's way more complexity and more places for things to go sideways when building tones.
 
I bet the guitar stats for this are more like 95%.

Especially since for may of us who play live, only a fraction of our “collection” is ever used on stage.

Ie… it’s much ado about nothing.

Now, the “most who use modelers have never cranked a big amp” topic… that’s one worth whipping like a rented mule.
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JiveTurkey said:
Never playing in a band or playing out at all would absolutely suck.
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Yeah, I rarely play "out" these days, but my collective writes/rehearses/records almost every weekend now. The chemistry of being with other players and creating with them in the moment is essential.

To me, it's far more rewarding than, say, doing worship sets every Sunday of the same handful of cover songs.
 
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