80% of digital modellers & c buyers are bedroom players according to marketing researches

[ChordInversion]

Those numbers are not about being or not a professional player, as far as we (little) know, but only bedroom players vs everyone else.
I'm not a professional player but I can't call me a badroom player because I play in a band.

Bedroom is a false term anyway, and always has been. I've played at home for decades, but never in a bedroom. And sometimes with other players, but not for an audience. I'm still clearly a home player, which I believe is the category they used.

 

[Frodebro]

Bedroom is a false term anyway, and always has been. I've played at home for decades, but never in a bedroom. And sometimes with other players, but not for an audience. I'm still clearly a home players, which I believe is the category they used.

It's still a bit deceptive though, because it implies that modelers are for home players.

 

[sashimi]

The irony for me (as I suspect is the case for many people) is that I can play with much higher SPLs at home than I get to push when I play live.

I regularly run sound in the venue I play at and I have been told that they want the total band mix to be between 80-85 dB measured at the desk (approx. 50 feet from the stage). We run a silent stage with the drums micd in an isolation booth.

At home I get to play at 100-115 dB+ on the occasions that I have the house to myself.

Are you by any chance playing in a retirement home?

 

[ChordInversion]

It's still a bit deceptive though, because it implies that modelers are for home players.

For people who don't understand the broader reality, sure. But it's still true. They would have an even higher percentage if they just looked at electric guitars in general. If indeed as little as 80% of the market is home players, that may be the smallest proportion for any piece of guitar gear short of a full stack.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Aren't 80% of guitar players bedroom players?

 

[Frodebro]

Aren't 80% of guitar players bedroom players?

Home players/hobbyists is more appropriate, but this demographic does represent the vast majority of players out there.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

The irony for me (as I suspect is the case for many people) is that I can play with much higher SPLs at home than I get to push when I play live.

I regularly run sound in the venue I play at and I have been told that they want the total band mix to be between 80-85 dB measured at the desk (approx. 50 feet from the stage). We run a silent stage with the drums micd in an isolation booth.

At home I get to play at 100-115 dB+ on the occasions that I have the house to myself.

Hilarious that’s like the NAMM sound levels can’t exceed 85 dB when noise floor/ambient noise level is 80.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I’m a Madison Square Basement player.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Hilarious that’s like the NAMM sound levels can’t exceed 85 dB when noise floor is 80.

Yeah, quick Google was 80-85 = restaurant, air conditioner, traffic.

 

[Gary_W]

Hilarious that’s like the NAMM sound levels can’t exceed 85 dB when noise floor/ambient noise level is 80.

I remember playing a birthday party a few years ago at a really awful venue for acoustics. As well as sounding like the biggest toilet in the world, it had a noise regulation thing built in that wasn’t very high tech. It was a knock-off SM58 hung above the stage and, if you went above a certain level, it killed the electricity to the only sockets anywhere near the stage. Took a minute to reset. It was apparently a thing to keep the local council happy (built up area and neighbour complaints). No idea what SPL it tripped at but ‘not much’ was the unfortunate answer.

We were an 8 piece (keys, bass, drums, vocals, backing vocalist, sax, trumpet, me). Everyone kept looking at me during soundcheck as the bloody thing kept tripping out and we all know what we’re like…. Our drummer was the quieter kind as they go so usually wouldn’t be him.

After everyone giving me side-eye yet again, I turned my amp off and everyone did a verse without me. Turns out that a single blast on the sax (not mic’d up) was enough to trip it so for once ‘not guilty’ :). We ended up running a single 13 amp extension lead from the other end of the building and plugging everything into that. The staff gave us side-eye but we got away with it - they weren’t around during the sound check and turns out they only normally hosted acoustic stuff with no amps so they had never known it trip / didn’t know how loud was allowable. Still sounded crap in there but at least we got to play!

 

[OrganicZed]

im not saying this in any way as a slight to YOU, but fuuuuuuuuck that. 80-85 db. theres no reason to WATCH that live. itd be absurd topay to watch grown humans play rock music that quiet. id be embarrassed FOR them. whats next, a touch typing exhibition? gad.. ridiculous.

The genre isn’t rock.

I agree, the volume restriction is quite low, but this is not a venue with a cover charge.

Are you by any chance playing in a retirement home?

Not a retirement home, but many in attendance are senior citizens. People complain if the music is “too loud”. I’m not trying to be cryptic but the current forum rules preclude me from being more explicit about the particulars.

 

[paisleywookiee]

but the current forum rules preclude me from being more explicit about the particulars

A brothel?

 

[sashimi]

I’m not trying to be cryptic but the current forum rules preclude me from being more explicit about the particulars.

Mar a lago golf course restaurant?

 

[synthpenguin]

It makes sense for a lot of reasons already discussed here. I have a feeling the real amp percentage isn't far off though, especially if you're not only narrowed down to tube amps. But yeah, it's interesting and not surprising as a number, and I don't think it means much about the different products except that modelers (usually) take up less space and work better at lower volumes, and that they also fill a spot for people who want to try a lot of different sounds at less cost, which a hobbyist might spend more time thinking about than a pro (and a hobbyist is less likely to play out by default). There are also a lot of modeler and capture options that are actually more affordable than even the Hot Rod Deluxe they mention (even when comparing used prices).

It would be interesting to see that actual research though. I'm kind of curious how it defines a "home player" (e.g. does it actually say "just plays at home" like he said?) Like if you used to play out but haven't for some period of time, but might someday in the future maybe, are you a home player? A lot of people who continue to buy guitar gear fit that, whether they used to play in a band when they were a teen or played out well into adulthood. What about if you build your rig around playing at home, and that's where you play 99+% of the year, but you might play out as a fill-in or something once a year (and maybe not even with your own gear)?

Also, fwiw we know there's a ton of overlap between people who have bought a modeler before and people who have bought at least one real amp (I mean... probably most guitarists who have bought a modeler, right? though that will possibly shift generationally), so the "80% of people who buy modelers..." stat is kind of worthless in making any big statements about modeler vs physical amp users if we don't know if the people polled use them as their primary rig.

 

[gearJunkie]

What percentage of guitarists are “professional” though? I’m sure a large percentage of tube amp players are also only playing Madison Spare Bedroom too.

I resemble that remark.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

What percentage of guitarists are “professional” though? I’m sure a large percentage of tube amp players are also only playing Madison Spare Bedroom too.

Well it said home player not amateur.

One of my fave guitarists who played with everyone and their brother has been a home player, but not only is he a professional he also is a guitar god and influenced many of the influences around.
Holdsworth spend more time playing at home than on the road.

As I said earlier the cottage industry that MI manufacturing is relies on hobbyists.

And all this pro amounts for x discussion doesn’t take into account semi-pros. Guys that get part of their income from music.

 

[HotRats]

You can't make statistics with anecdotal data but the vast majority of players I know, personally, are playing in bands.

Some gig frequently, some don't, some are pros, some are semi-pro, other a just hobbits but none of them are home players.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

While I absolutely agree, I would rather say they "dictate" the market (and no, I've got no hard feelings as it's just obvious), whereas certain professionals may still "guide" development into one or the other direction. As in serious companies rather consulting professionals when it comes to a certain feature set, but once that is done, they go for "content" to please the bedroom camp. That's pretty much as well the reason why there's, say, countless amp models that nobody in the real live playing world would usually care about at all.

Do they? Gear fora are its own micro cosmos. Because up until recently it still was the sales dude in the local store, the guy bugging you from sweetwater and of course prior ad driven guitar rag reviews.

All of which are now rolled into your fave YouTuber.

Think about it this way, until 3 years ago when IK released Tonex and there was no Kemper player the cheapest capturing you could get was like 1600bucks.

No one care about NAM and the likes enough yet.
When the tonex pedal came which was a logical step I’d figured it’d kill Kemper.

So they added their liquid profiling and from there NDSP followed, etc,etc

So from my POV it seems that markets are driven by the same as they always have been. Folks wanting more and pay less

AND being told this piece of gear is what they like.

The list of guys in this industry folks fawn over that should just get down on their knees every day in gratitude that folks buy their BS is mind boggling.

 

[James Freeman]

Replying to tiltle;
It's time to stop being ashamed for being bedroom player, and freaking own it.

I AM A BEDROOM PLAYER, I OWN MANY TUBE AMPS, 4x12 CABS, PEDALS AND MODELERS, AND I LOVE IT!

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Replying to tiltle;
It's time to stop being ashamed for being bedroom player, and freaking own it.

I AM A BEDROOM PLAYER, I OWN MANY TUBE AMPS, 4x12 CABS, PEDALS AND MODELERS, AND I LOVE IT!

I don’t think it’s being ashamed as much then wanting that pro “badge of Honor”

Look around various fors and just see how many self proclaimed “session guys” there are.