Who's owned/compared Coaxial vs Woofer/tweeter 2 way speakers and play loud band volume
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gumtown
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If found them to be dull and no top end, had 2 lots of 2x12 co-axial monitor speakers (like an ordinary 12" driver but with a center cone extension like a mushroom).
I ended up cutting in and adding a 12"x3" horn drivers into the cabinets, and that made a BIG difference.
I ended up cutting in and adding a 12"x3" horn drivers into the cabinets, and that made a BIG difference.
jay mitchell
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That's too generic a question; there's no single answer.
FYI, a coaxial speaker is a "woofer/tweeter 2 way speaker." The only difference is where the tweeter/HF horn is placed. Also FYI, there are poorly-executed coaxial speakers and well-done displaced-transducer types. OTOH, a well-executed coaxial design will always produce better sound quality (IOW, it will sound better) at any volume over a much greater number of listening positions.
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CLR was great. The EV PXM was pretty good as well. I love my F12 loaded 112 cabs as well. All played up at loud band volumes.
Yes, I know after I posted it it's way too generic. It's pretty much a question a teenager would ask! (and I'm 63 , played in bands and studios and live sound since my late teens, and have a house that looks like a gear museum) . . .However, you 'kind of' answered my generic question, and your answer agreed with what I was thinking. I understand the more consistent displacement of the sound (and quality thereso of it) , but say I'm 5 feet or 20 feet directly in FRONT of what you'd consider 'very similar quality' coaxials and the 'other kind of 2 way' speaker, how would you describe the different sound quality? Maybe that's impossible to describe, but I think you can . Thank you, Eric
Is the F12 the Celestion full range speaker? Thanks JT
Which co-axials were you using in that scenario before you modded them? Also what was going into them? THANKS, Eric
shanesiegle
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I prefer my Yamaha dhr12m to my QSC k10 and cp12. Its not a massive difference but it’s more natural to my ears.
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Yep. It's a solid solution. Like anything else as a monitoring solution; you are at the mercy of physics as far as the cab enclosure and the quality of IRs you are using (as well your own mental ability to ignore both knowing full well that the IRs you are probably using were shot from a cab with completely different dimensions than the one you are running it through)
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I wonder if those of us who buy and try all these things trying to get a good 'cabinet in the room' sound *and* no longer play at above studio/bedroom dB's have clouded the opinions of others when we post how bad something sounds.
My thought stems from not understanding the science behind the designs but my instincts tell me that the high frequency drivers at their optimal performance dB level vs that of the low frequency drivers might not cover the same range. Its possible there is some low level uses that create a mismatch of the two components? So maybe what works at lower volumes falls apart at stage levels and vice versa.
that and the fact that some of us aren't standing/moving about relative to the placement of the cab like we were when we played in a band.
Someone turn on the bat light.... @jay mitchell
My thought stems from not understanding the science behind the designs but my instincts tell me that the high frequency drivers at their optimal performance dB level vs that of the low frequency drivers might not cover the same range. Its possible there is some low level uses that create a mismatch of the two components? So maybe what works at lower volumes falls apart at stage levels and vice versa.
that and the fact that some of us aren't standing/moving about relative to the placement of the cab like we were when we played in a band.
Someone turn on the bat light.... @jay mitchell
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jay mitchell
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If they work together at high volume, they will work exactly the same at low volume.
Achilles
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Same can't be said for the two things attached on the either side of your skull.
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Equal-loudness contour - Wikipedia
gumtown
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They were these from the 90's
had 4 of them, 2 in each vocal (large) monitor, just not crisp enough for a loud rock band,
and if you tried to compensate with more top end EQ, you just got more feedback.
Luckily the singers car got stolen with them in it, so with insurance payout, we brought some JBL's.
Celestion K12-100TC
deathbyguitar
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I have 4 of them. They're so damn great, especially with 2 stacked on their side. Makes for a great backline.
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That looks like a whizzer cone, different than a true coaxial driver.
Achilles
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Yup, only a single pair of leads. Whizzers started out in auto as fake co-axials - cheap Jensen knock-offs.
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gumtown
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Quite likely, they were sold as "coaxial cone" drivers way back,
but the meaning today is more centered around dual L.F + H.F driver all in one.
jay mitchell
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Woofers with whizzer cones have never correctly been characterized as coaxial speakers.
FYI, that has been the meaning since Altec introduced the 601 in 1943. It's not by any means a recent redefinition of the term.
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