When do you predict the next Fractal Audio Axe iteration will drop, now that they've stated that it will be NAM-compatible?

I think Cliff mentioned the IV will be the equivalent of todays super computer. That should mean he'll be able to update it for years to come. Couple that with (I hope) plenty of storage for things like a full fledged looper and being able to run purchased Dyna-Cab packs and I'll be happy.

I guess if it has to have stuff like a touchscreen and captures to appease the masses....so be it.....I'll be using the pc editor......
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Rock Chalk said:
I think Cliff mentioned the IV will be the equivalent of todays super computer. That should mean he'll be able to update it for years to come. Couple that with (I hope) plenty of storage for things like a full fledged looper and being able to run purchased Dyna-Cab packs and I'll be happy.

I guess if it has to have stuff like a touchscreen and captures to appease the masses....so be it.....I'll be using the pc editor......View attachment 60051
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The Axe 3 was a beast when it was released (and it still is), I expect the 4 will follow the same trend of "overkill is a good starting point."
 
Orvillain said:
I know exactly how to do it. They use a Dynamount system with a custom API which gives automated access to moving the microphone around the 3 axis in front of the speaker. I looked into the cost of the API, and it is quite high. The same price as buying the hardware, more or less. So you need £1000 or so for the unit, and £1000 for the API access... and even then, you still have to write your own code to do it.

I'm fully capable of making a library every bit as good as the big players in IR land - but honestly, the financial rewards are not high enough for me to be arsed right now.
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I figured you would know all the technical details. Way above my pay grade.

When Fractal made the announcement that 3rd party Dyna-Cabs were going to be available, I was hoping it would become "a thing". Obviously the juice isn't worth the squeeze outside of Fractal's own offerings.
 
KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!! said:
I figured you would know all the technical details. Way above my pay grade.

When Fractal made the announcement that 3rd party Dyna-Cabs were going to be available, I was hoping it would become "a thing". Obviously the juice isn't worth the squeeze outside of Fractal's own offerings.
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Yeah I think you're spot on really. I don't know how much Fractal are charging to ship the kit around the place, but it would be fairly prohibitive for all but the most successful companies; most of which have their own platforms by now too.
 
Frodebro said:
I left Kemper for Fractal because the signal routing and depth of adjustability made it a very appealing platform to do creative things on. NAM is basically somebody else doing the heavy lifting for you. And people these days want everything as dumbed down as possible, so I get it. But I'm not drawn to the dumbed down approach. I want to dial in my own sounds.
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Hmm. That doesn’t answer my question.

One additional question: do you use dynacabs or IRs? Does having the other approach that you don’t use make the III any worse of a product?
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Hmm. That doesn’t answer my question.

One additional question: do you use dynacabs or IRs? Does having the other approach that you don’t use make the III any worse of a product?
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I can answer that for me: No, however...

Dynacabs were a net new thing not available elsewhere, and I prefer them. IRs involve work that was already done, so no need to delete them or anything. Capture involves putting in finite resources to add something net new that is not valuable to me. Those resources could be used modeling more amps, adding or improving effects, adding usability features, or all manner of things. Finite is finite.

I get that not every choice is going to fit with my priorities. That's how it's always been, and of course that's fine. And if each such item or feature were a topic of discussion here, I'd opine on which ones I value and which ones I don't. All that distinguishes capture in that regard is that it's come up again and again and again, because some people insist that it must be crammed into every modeler on the planet as a high priority item, and that any modeler missing it is somehow deeply deficient ("table stakes").
 
ChordInversion said:
I can answer that for me: No, however...

Dynacabs were a net new thing not available elsewhere, and I prefer them. IRs involve work that was already done, so no need to delete them or anything. Capture involves putting in finite resources to add something net new that is not valuable to me. Those resources could be used modeling more amps, adding or improving effects, adding usability features, or all manner of things. Finite is finite.

I get that not every choice is going to fit with my priorities. That's how it's always been, and of course that's fine. And if each such item or feature were a topic of discussion here, I'd opine on which ones I value and which ones I don't. All that distinguishes capture in that regard is that it's come up again and again and again, because some people insist that it must be crammed into every modeler on the planet as a high priority item, and that any modeler missing it is somehow deeply deficient ("table stakes").
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I dunno. If folks can’t explain what they actually want done instead, then it really sounds like odd whining? Not that any of us are above odd whining (gimme FM0 or gimme death).

I also go back to my point about / what makes everyone think this is just gonna be a “sure, put your NAM here like you can already don in 80 other devices” without any Fractal Value Add? I don’t think I needed dynacabs but turns out I like ‘em…
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
I dunno. If folks can’t explain what they actually want done instead, then it really sounds like odd whining? Not that any of us are above odd whining (gimme FM0 or gimme death).

I also go back to my point about / what makes everyone think this is just gonna be a “sure, put your NAM here like you can already don in 80 other devices” without any Fractal Value Add? I don’t think I needed dynacabs but turns out I like ‘em…
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I think where I was drawing heat was that some people insist that Fractal will not be competitive unless they have NAM in the unit, and I disagreed with that. It wasn't me saying "they need to do this" or "they need to not do that," it was simply me saying that I think they'll survive just fine if they just continue doing things the way they always have.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
I dunno. If folks can’t explain what they actually want done instead, then it really sounds like odd whining? Not that any of us are above odd whining (gimme FM0 or gimme death).
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MOAR amps! MOAR effects! More cool ways of arranging and using blocks. More of everything I already like. That was easy. Of course it was. I know it's only my preference, but it's not odd whining one tiny bit (certainly less than insisting capture must be added is whining). It's an exhortation to, as the guy said in Star Wars, "stay on target!"

Boudoir Guitar said:
I also go back to my point about / what makes everyone think this is just gonna be a “sure, put your NAM here like you can already don in 80 other devices” without any Fractal Value Add? I don’t think I needed dynacabs but turns out I like ‘em…
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That Fractal Value Add, which I agree is likely (and the reason why it will divert significant resources) won't matter to me, because a capture is still a capture.
 
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ChordInversion said:
MOAR amps! MOAR effects! More cool ways of arranging and using blocks. More of everything I already like. That was easy. Of course it was. I know it's only my preference, but it's not odd whining one tiny bit (certainly less than insisting capture must be added is whining). It's an exhortation to, as the guy said in Star Wars, "stay on target!"


That Fractal Value Add, which I agree is likely (and the reason why it will divert significant resources) won't matter to me, because a capture is still a capture.
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MOAR of the same does not an Axe Fx IV make.
 
Frodebro said:
I think where I was drawing heat was that some people insist that Fractal will not be competitive unless they have NAM in the unit, and I disagreed with that. It wasn't me saying "they need to do this" or "they need to not do that," it was simply me saying that I think they'll survive just fine if they just continue doing things the way they always have.
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They haven’t, though? The beauty of Fractal is that they DON’T just continue doing things the way they always have.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
They haven’t, though? The beauty of Fractal is that they DON’T just continue doing things the way they always have.
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People have been insisting that Fractal needs profiling ever since Kemper hit the market (displaced by NAM/captures once that was the cool new shiny thing). Then again, there are always the people that insist that what Fractal/Line6/Whomever needs to do is release products with super power & capabilities at stupidly low prices, so basically anything you see online has the possibility of being completely unrealistic.
 
Frodebro said:
People have been insisting that Fractal needs profiling ever since Kemper hit the market (displaced by NAM/captures once that was the cool new shiny thing). Then again, there are always the people that insist that what Fractal/Line6/Whomever needs to do is release products with super power & capabilities at stupidly low prices, so basically anything you see online has the possibility of being completely unrealistic.
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Okay - but what DO they add/do differently that makes an Axe Fx IV then? Because they gotta do SOMETHING to make it a IV.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
MOAR of the same does not an Axe Fx IV make.
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Personally, I agree (except my usual Badlander battle cry). I think they're really well represented overall. I think if they do NAM integration, they need to do it where you can capture with the device, even if it's connected to a computer, so that the process is streamlined. Right now, Tonex and NAM can be a crapshoot because it heavily depends on levels, how proficient someone is with reamping, etc.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Okay - but what DO they add/do differently that makes an Axe Fx IV then? Because they gotta do SOMETHING to make it a IV.
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I'm pretty sure Cliff watches the market, identifies trends, and then incorporates features that he feels are worth adding. And watching the market doesn't necessarily mean catering to the handful of people who scream the loudest...

But what always sets Fractal apart is the depth of tweakability of everything.
 
Frodebro said:
I'm pretty sure Cliff watches the market, identifies trends, and then incorporates features that he feels are worth adding
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Right, like NAM and a touchscreen for example.

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But what always sets Fractal apart is the depth of tweakability of everything.
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That will still be there. I'm confused how adding NAM and a touchscreen will ruin this. You seem insistent on it though.

Frodebro said:
And watching the market doesn't necessarily mean catering to the handful of people who scream the loudest...
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I'm more confused. Are you saying that there are only a handful of people who want NAM and a touchscreen? You change your position ever other post. You'll say you think people don't truly want NAM and TS, then say that those people who don't are in the minority, now those who do are only a handful of individuals and the only reason Cliff is entertaining it is because they scream the loudest.

Then add in trying to use a law of physics to justify how it all equals out in the end.

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And I'll be honest here-I am completely happy with my Axe 3 and FM9 as they are right now, so to entice me to upgrade hardware would require something that is currently not even on my radar. Most likely expanded functionality, routing, or other things like that not directly related to amps & effects.
 
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