Wampler Pedalhead

[politoleo]

If not, you could probably train it with a non-inductive resistor and fake it into being flat.

My main question is can you apply the IR's to the balanced outputs (and headphones) while simultaneously having a non-IR signal going to the speaker outs?

You can do that, but then it will sound like a tube amp into a resistive load, so presence and depth will be extremely limited, and could feel too stiff.

There will be a dedicated mode for hi/fi ish setting to be used with a modeler, either developed from scratch or not maybe using famous 80s or even $$$ tube hifi poweramps.

Edit: Yes you have simultaneous IR and non IR

 

[banned]

I'm Leo from Synergy, part of the DSP team, was invited here by a moderator to help answering some questions!!

Yes it's equivalent to a 50W/60W tube poweramp also at 16ohm

Hi, I have 5 cabs presently - once this learns the SIC - how easy is it to switch between curves? How many SICs can be stored on device?

 

[dronerstone]

I'm Leo from Synergy, part of the DSP team, was invited here by a moderator to help answering some questions!!

Yes it's equivalent to a 50W/60W tube poweramp also at 16ohm

Any word on street price that you could share at this point?

I'd completely understand if that's still secret.

 

[politoleo]

I’m going to pretend I didn’t read the write up so I can remain excited about the idea of this stuff. The “not possible until now” and “redefining game changer” shit REALLY makes me want to dismiss it after I’ve been stoked on the idea of it for 24 hours now.

As long as we’re using digital simulations to create analog guitar tones, the game is exactly the same as it has been for over 20 years. Taking a bus to the mall instead of driving your own car does not negate the fact that you traveled in a vehicle to the mall.

It's not using digital simulation however, it's more like a digitally controlled analog where the power module happens to be a CLASS D, but this works with any class and even with tubes.
It's patent protected and at some point everyone will be able to read how's done in extremely detail.

 

[Whizzinby]

It's a proprietary design as the tech needs more hardware and high quality codec to perform real time continuous current/voltage measurement. Also OEM power modules of that power are literally bigger then the whole pedal!

Nice!!!

So, tracking some of your other replies, this thing keeps the signal 100% analog? All the magic is happening in analog via digital control?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

It's not using digital simulation however, it's more like a digitally controlled analog where the power module happens to be a CLASS D, but this works with any class and even with tubes.
It's patent protected and at some point everyone will be able to read how's done in extremely detail.

Do you mind sharing the name of the inventor on the patent application?

 

[politoleo]

It's not necessarily erroneous. It is erroneous in the sense that an actual watt put out by a tube amp is the same as a watt put out by a SS amp. It is accurate in the sense that a tune amp rated at 22 watts may be able to put out as much or more power than a SS amp rated at 100 watts. It's the way the amps are rated that is grossly misleading.

It is also not just the issue with distortion, there is also the way they react to the impedance of the load that can reduce the clean output of a SS amp well below the rated value, so you need much more (rated) headroom to be able to deliver the same clean signal.

But as he said we could have wrote a whole page explaining this, or just equivalent to tube watt as that's what consumers are used to! And I'm sorry we had to do it but it's in a good spirit

 

[politoleo]

Can you comment on if it does 3 or 6 different power amp models, and is there a flat amp option for use with a separate reactive load?

Also, can you simultaneously have no IR on the speaker outs with IR enable on the DI outputs?

Thanks!

Will be 6 at launch, and still open in terms of what models, feel free to suggest!

Yes simultaneously out IR and Speakers with independent and midi CC real time controls over everything

 

[politoleo]

Hi, I have 5 cabs presently - once this learns the SIC - how easy is it to switch between curves? How many SICs can be stored on device?

Only the two you're using at the time (left/right) , but Learn takes just a few seconds so you could just press it when you switch

 

[politoleo]

Any word on street price that you could share at this point?

I'd completely understand if that's still secret.

It's not set yet

 

[politoleo]

Nice!!!

So, tracking some of your other replies, this thing keeps the signal 100% analog? All the magic is happening in analog via digital control?

No, it needs an extremely powerful DSP actually as it's all happening in real time across the whole frequency spectrum, latency is 0.75ms but will probably be lowered to something like 0.4 in production.

 

[dk_ace]

I’m eagerly awaiting more details. Based on what is in this thread it’s a really interesting device. Depending on how a few answers swing about what it is and how it works, could be a really exciting development.

D

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Nice!!!

So, tracking some of your other replies, this thing keeps the signal 100% analog? All the magic is happening in analog via digital control?

"It's not a digital model. It's a machine learned digital filter module controlling the analog output of the device."

 

[Whizzinby]

No, it needs an extremely powerful DSP actually as it's all happening in real time across the whole frequency spectrum, latency is 0.75ms but will probably be lowered to something like 0.4 in production.

Ok. So there is a digital conversion of the entire signal, but it’s not running a “model” in the conventional sense, rather using some other digital process? Sorry trying to wrap my head around it.

 

[politoleo]

Ok. So there is a digital conversion of the entire signal, but it’s not running a “model” in the conventional sense, rather using some other digital process? Sorry trying to wrap my head around it.

Let's see if this is more helpful:

Whats not:
1) Modeler with profile or whatever eq etc into an hifi amp

What is:
2) Advanced Voltage/Current (where current is the key difference) behavior control of the load (speaker) and relative feedback for controlling sag and frequency dependant saturation (hence current/load), without phisically increasing the output impedance. (so ultra efficient and small, = more power at the same size)

In short yes it can be approximated like a "modeler with as input Guitar signal, Current and Voltage of the speaker" where regular models obivuosly only have the guitar signal as input.

When I say it's not a modeler is because it could be otherwise confused to the 1) example

 

[Chocol8]

Will be 6 at launch, and still open in terms of what models, feel free to suggest!

First, I suggest you make it 6 user loadable slots so individuals can select the ones they like.

That said pick 6 of these and I would be pretty happy!:

Fender:
Tweed (deluxe maybe?) - lots of sag, no or minimal NFB (6v6 or 5881 depending on amp you choose)
BF Super Reverb - tube rectified but much cleaner tighter than Tweed (5881 or 6l6WGC)
BF Twin Reverb - SS rectified fast and tight (big bottle 6l6)

Marshall:
JTM45 - Tube and saggy (KT66)
Early 1987 50 watt Plexi - SS rectified but low filtering and a little softer than the big boys (EL34)
Later 1959 100 watt Plexi/metal panel with more filtering (EL34)

Flat:
A) Something to use with models that have power amp modeling and a SIC baked in.
B) Something for models with power amp baked in but SIC turned off

 

[dronerstone]

Will be 6 at launch, and still open in terms of what models, feel free to suggest!

Yes simultaneously out IR and Speakers with independent and midi CC real time controls over everything

An ultra-linear Sunn-style KT88 model would probably please the stoner crowd.

 

[banned]

Only the two you're using at the time (left/right) , but Learn takes just a few seconds so you could just press it when you switch

Thank you for the info.

I use an amp switcher to frequently switch cabs. I really wish you had the ability to store on device multiple SICs once learned versus just two. I can't imagine going through the frequency chirp routine every time I want to switch cabs. Hope this can be incorporated.

 

[politoleo]

Thank you for the info.

I use an amp switcher to frequently switch cabs. I really wish you had the ability to store on device multiple SICs once learned versus just two. I can't imagine going through the frequency chirp routine every time I want to switch cabs. Hope this can be incorporated.

It's technically possible however it's a niche use case. It certainly has some value however.
It's going to be hard to manage the UI side of it but we could relegate this function as a MIDI access only.
I'll bring up to the team after NAMM

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[FuzzyAce]

No touch screen??? No dice.