Vintage 30 China vs UK (Graphs)

[MirrorProfiles]

I think you might be right.
The dust cap may have a lot to do with how guitar speakers sound, diameter and material stiffness directly affect high frequencies.

Good read :

Dust Caps

The speaker dust cap covers and protects the voice coil and internal components within a speaker. It is usually made of a soft mesh type material, although some speakers have aluminum or plastic dust...

www.guitarrecordinglounge.com

EDIT:
Since Celestions dust caps haven't changed in decades, I wonder if the amount of applied glue and type of glue have a direct affect on the brightness of the speaker.
I may do a little destructive science to find out.

I remember this being a topic of discussion a few years ago with Nolly's deep dive into V30's.

IIRC Supposedly there was a chemical in the glue that was banned in China but allowed in the UK (or vice versa) so they had to be different. The glue absolutely has an effect though if you put the mic over where the glue blobs are it sounds noticeably more rolled off than the other side. I'm sure the application and amount of glue would affect the whole speaker.

Something else that can in turn have an effect is the orientation of how the speakers are mounted in the cab - purely for how we typically put the mic halfway up the vertical axis in the centre of the speaker and move left or right. Mesa mounts their speakers at a 45º angle so the glue blobs are in a slightly different position to how they'd be in a Marshall style cab. In a Marshall cab the glue blobs would make a 90º right angle point towards the ground and the side - in a Mesa they're shooting off diagonally.

 

[James Freeman]

if you put the mic over where the glue blobs are it sounds noticeably more rolled off than the other side.

Hmm.
According to the linked article a stiffer dust caps attenuates the high frequencies and softer dust cap extends them, and possibly exactly at the wavelength of the dust cap diameter as @DieSchmalle noticed.

So the less peaky 'UK' sounding Celestion might actually have a harder dust cap glue and/or stiffer dust cap?

Look at Figure 0.16 in the linked article.

 

[Eagle]

As a vintage 30 user for years I can honestly say find a set you like the sound of regardless of what type because there is considerable overlap in traits that I like and dislike . Inconsistency and use makes it impossible to say I prefer x over y type.

 

[Val Kill More]

I have 10 Chinese ones. All 16 ohm. They are not all created equal.
I have 4 from a Orange PPC that sound gross. I've got 2 from a Randall 2x12 that sound good, and I've got 4 from a Line6 cab that sound great.

I also have 4 Mesa UK ones and the difference is night and day IMO. But I do like a good set of Chinese V30s either in a straight baffle 412 or in the bottom of a slant 412. In a slant cab I would much rather have Mesa UK V30s pointed at my face/ears than Chinese. I haven't tried the new production UK V30s.

 

[Genghis]

Sorry if this off topic, but which version of the V30 would be expected in a new Mesa Recto vertical 2x12?

 

[Eagle]

Sorry if this off topic, but which version of the V30 would be expected in a new Mesa Recto vertical 2x12?

Uk mesa version. Different really.

 

[Chocol8]

Sorry if this off topic, but which version of the V30 would be expected in a new Mesa Recto vertical 2x12?

Unless Gibson has changed it since getting rid of Randall, the V30's made for Mesa were/are different and are more similar to the original UK versions.

 

[Deadpan]

Sorry if this off topic, but which version of the V30 would be expected in a new Mesa Recto vertical 2x12?

They are new production Mesa. Not the same as the older honestly. They are a mix of construction and sound fairly dark. At least the one I have does. It is from 2023.

 

[Genghis]

Thanks guys. I ordered one of those cabs from Sweetwater so I have something with a smaller footprint than my 4x12s and more convenient overall gigging setup. My 4x12s are at the bottom of the amp stacks and a pain to unstack to take them to a gig as well, so having a dedicated gigging cab that is decent will be helpful.

 

[Baba]

You guys are all doing it wrong. You have to wait for them to break in, then they will sound much different.

 

[Eagle]

You guys are all doing it wrong. You have to wait for them to break in, then they will sound much different.

That’s a whole different thing. I’m talking about well broken in speakers anyway. They are all bad at the start.

 

[Deadpan]

So, they now disguise construction?

 

[Eagle]

So, they now disguise construction?

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All companies do that. Most have stopped writing “ made in _____ “.

 

[Stratzrus]

I personally prefer the Celestion Century Vintage Neo to my V30s.

It's based on the V30 but has a tighter bottom and more detailed highs without being brittle.

Sadly they don't make them anymore but I picked up eight of them when Parts Express was blowing them out for $69. Along with the EV SRO/12L they are my favorite speakers.

 

[Orvillain]

I personally prefer the Celestion Century Vintage Neo to my V30s.

It's based on the V30 but has a tighter bottom and more detailed highs without being brittle.

Sadly they don't make them anymore but I picked up eight of them when Parts Express was blowing them out for $69. Along with the EV SRO/12L they are my favorite speakers.

I had a Zilla cab with 4 of them in years ago. Actually really nice speakers!