Valeton GP-50, GP-150 and GP-180

[Shask]

To me it's quite the opposite. Although it's been years since I dont play a fractal model I still miss the instant feel compared to tonex. I used tonex every day for the past 12 months and I'm tired of it. The EQ is never going to improve, the models are 95% garbage and for hi gain it's virtually impossible to find something with less noise than the original hardware. Tonex introduces more noise than needed. If it wasnt for mirrorcaptures or vic audio I'd probably have quit Tonex way before. I'm free of Tonex now, I feel like a new man

That is all easy to fix by making your own ToneX captures. Capture your tube amp at your settings and then you won't need the EQ or have additional noise.

 

[kyle-vick]

@noizmsm , you should try @Shask 's captures if you are looking for more high gain ones. His are fantastic.

 

[noizmsm]

Hi thanks for the tip
where can I find your captures @Shask ?

 

[Shask]

Hi thanks for the tip
where can I find your captures @Shask ?

I mostly go for heavy chunky metal sounds. I do have a few mid to high gain type Marshall stuff.

My captures aren't noisy because I am careful about using isolation boxes when I make them.

Here are the ones I have shared:

ToneNET

TONEX Tone Model sharing community

www.tone.net

 

[noizmsm]

I mostly go for heavy chunky metal sounds. I do have a few mid to high gain type Marshall stuff.

My captures aren't noisy because I am careful about using isolation boxes when I make them.

Here are the ones I have shared:

ToneNET

TONEX Tone Model sharing community

www.tone.net

Very nice collection of amps, I still have Tonex max I'll test them later.
Btw I'm working with a amp builder to do a synergy soldano II clone. The synergy soldano II improved the soldano by a lot, I dont know how they did it.
He's working to do a small box with two pre amp tubes and a cheaper class D with line out + speaker out + headphone out, prototype will follow in a few months. If you ever get the chance to buy it the Synergy SLO II, you wont regret it. It's like how soldano was always supposed to sound, I'm eternally grateful for Synergy for modifying and improving their module

 

[Shask]

Very nice collection of amps, I still have Tonex max I'll test them later.
Btw I'm working with a amp builder to do a synergy soldano II clone. The synergy soldano II improved the soldano by a lot, I dont know how they did it.
He's working to do a small box with two pre amp tubes and a cheaper class D with line out + speaker out + headphone out, prototype will follow in a few months. If you ever get the chance to buy it the Synergy SLO II, you wont regret it. It's like how soldano was always supposed to sound, I'm eternally grateful for Synergy for modifying and improving their module

I actually have a SLO II on the way, so I will know next week :)

I have a Jet City JCA1000HDM that I SLO modded, so I assume it is pretty close to the modern SLO. I actually want to make some new Synergy captures through the poweramp of that amp instead of the Mesa 2:90 because it is a little fatter and chuggier. Anything into the poweramp of that amp sounds huge. I just took a little break because I made hundreds of them within a month or 2, and the newest update kept giving me bad captures, so I was kind of waiting for another update.

 

[noizmsm]

I actually have a SLO II on the way, so I will know next week :)

I have a Jet City JCA1000HDM that I SLO modded, so I assume it is pretty close to the modern SLO. I actually want to make some new Synergy captures through the poweramp of that amp instead of the Mesa 2:90 because it is a little fatter and chuggier. Anything into the poweramp of that amp sounds huge. I just took a little break because I made hundreds of them within a month or 2, and the newest update kept giving me bad captures, so I was kind of waiting for another update.

Very nice purchase, you won't regret it. It's not the tight knob, the entire circuit is better than Soldano I in my opinion
You mean the last V2 firmware/update from Tonex gave you bad results? I mostly capture plugins through Reaper to Tonex or convert NAM to tonex, It takes me 3 or 4 tries before getting it right. if the bass sounds very nice on playback, after the training it sounds too woofy; if I dial bass down by 10% it's too thin. Anyway it's not V2 I think it's just the way tonex works. I assume, hearing real hardware captures and talking to people who make real hardware captures they say this "not getting right first or second try" is normal. It's not also uncommon to have these big guys (companies) making 5 types of hi gain amps and only 2 or 3 sounding good. not sure if it's them not getting the time to recapture until it sounds right or if it's tonex itself.

Which is why... when I discovered Revalver suite then could capture VST plugins I was amazed how accurate it was. An amazing piece of software, way ahead of its time, not entirely updated since late 2023 but ahead of Tonex in some regards. People put it down because they didn't like the full rig capture of Revalver/Headrush but the preamp-poweramp capture is amazing. Full rig is really difficult for the Revalver but take the speaker out of the signal and it's very accurate.

Could you record the amp using a loadbox (Synergy SLOII) on tonex without full rig aka without a speaker? That would be awesome. There's two captures of that on tonenet which sound good but not like the real deal. unfortunately the Soldano Singergy unit is not in my house, I can't capture it. I never bought a Jet City because I sold everything tube related except for my Valveking II combo and when I realized digital was better than I thought.

 

[Shask]

Very nice purchase, you won't regret it. It's not the tight knob, the entire circuit is better than Soldano I in my opinion
You mean the last V2 firmware/update from Tonex gave you bad results? I mostly capture plugins through Reaper to Tonex or convert NAM to tonex, It takes me 3 or 4 tries before getting it right. if the bass sounds very nice on playback, after the training it sounds too woofy; if I dial bass down by 10% it's too thin. Anyway it's not V2 I think it's just the way tonex works. I assume, hearing real hardware captures and talking to people who make real hardware captures they say this "not getting right first or second try" is normal. It's not also uncommon to have these big guys (companies) making 5 types of hi gain amps and only 2 or 3 sounding good. not sure if it's them not getting the time to recapture until it sounds right or if it's tonex itself.

Which is why... when I discovered Revalver suite then could capture VST plugins I was amazed how accurate it was. An amazing piece of software, way ahead of its time, not entirely updated since late 2023 but ahead of Tonex in some regards. People put it down because they didn't like the full rig capture of Revalver/Headrush but the preamp-poweramp capture is amazing. Full rig is really difficult for the Revalver but take the speaker out of the signal and it's very accurate.

Could you record the amp using a loadbox (Synergy SLOII) on tonex without full rig aka without a speaker? That would be awesome. There's two captures of that on tonenet which sound good but not like the real deal. unfortunately the Soldano singery unit is not in my house, I can't capture it.

After the last update I decided to re-train some of the last amp only captures just to hear the difference. You can do that by dragging the folder into a different folder so it reappears back on the list. Every one of them took me 3-4 tries. I kept getting broken trainings that sounded like a fuzz pedal with a dead battery. I finally got 4-5 done, but it took forever. I was running 30-40 of them at a time before that and rarely ever getting one that didn't come out right. The newly trained ones did sound slightly different, but not enough to make me want to re-train hundreds of tone models with the issues I was getting. I know @Deadpan said he was also having issues and was talking with IK about it.

I wasn't having issues with the sound being slightly different. The tone model was literally broken. After re-training a few times it finally came out right.

If I ever try another system, it will be NAM. I have considered looking at NAM more since I think it is poised to become a bigger standard, but I think it is still a bit too geeky for the masses. They need to create an easy to use capture process like ToneX has.

All of my captures are DI. I dont have the mics and I have always had better luck with DI captures because I can fine tune with IRs, or run them into a poweramp and cab with a ToneX One pedal. I use a Fractal LB-2 Loadbox.

 

[noizmsm]

After the last update I decided to re-train some of the last amp only captures just to hear the difference. You can do that by dragging the folder into a different folder so it reappears back on the list. Every one of them took me 3-4 tries. I kept getting broken trainings that sounded like a fuzz pedal with a dead battery. I finally got 4-5 done, but it took forever. I was running 30-40 of them at a time before that and rarely ever getting one that didn't come out right. The newly trained ones did sound slightly different, but not enough to make me want to re-train hundreds of tone models with the issues I was getting. I know @Deadpan said he was also having issues and was talking with IK about it.

I wasn't having issues with the sound being slightly different. The tone model was literally broken. After re-training a few times it finally came out right.

If I ever try another system, it will be NAM. I have considered looking at NAM more since I think it is poised to become a bigger standard, but I think it is still a bit too geeky for the masses. They need to create an easy to use capture process like ToneX has.

All of my captures are DI. I dont have the mics and I have always had better luck with DI captures because I can fine tune with IRs, or run them into a poweramp and cab with a ToneX One pedal. I use a Fractal LB-2 Loadbox.

I think you can put a sinewave from tone3000 and run on reaper
The routing would be like having your hardware output imprint its sound on this sinewave, as if you were playing a guitar solo over a backing track

The training is done by the tone3000 cloud GPU

Capturing plugin is like having the track with the FX enabled and the plugin (VST) enabled, once it's rendered the VST will imprint the tone on this wav file. For the real hardware you just need to find how to do it, I think the process is similar to cloning a IR with two tracks opened, one with the sweep signal and the other "input" is your real amp when you hit recording the second track is going to be the sweep signal processed through your amplifier.

@2dor can you please give us an advice on the easiest way to create a NAM file using tone3000 sweep signal?

 

[Chocol8]

You really don't want to train with a sine sweep. There is SO MUCH MORE to a good capture than just frequency response.