Valeton GP-50, GP-150 and GP-180

Hi all,
I use the GP-50 as a practice- and "get inspired"- unit because you can use it everywhere and I really like it.
But I would love to use the IR- loader with the snaptone- block to be independent from the "cab baked in"- captions (may be by sacrificing an effect- block). It would make it a lot easier to create a better "amp sound".
Are there any experience with updates from Valeton?
Do you think there is a chance to implement this option?
 
I bought the GP-5 GP-200 & GP-50 in a short space of time and have spent the most time on the GP-50
Spending more time with the GP-200 now and think its outstanding👍
 
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lumen said:
Hi all,
I use the GP-50 as a practice- and "get inspired"- unit because you can use it everywhere and I really like it.
But I would love to use the IR- loader with the snaptone- block to be independent from the "cab baked in"- captions (may be by sacrificing an effect- block). It would make it a lot easier to create a better "amp sound".
Are there any experience with updates from Valeton?
Do you think there is a chance to implement this option?
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That seems like something that would be a DSP issue that’s baked in, so I wouldn’t hold your breath.
 
lumen said:
Do you think there is a chance to implement this option?
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Would perhaps be possible in case they removed another FX block (as you suggested), but given that folks wanted it from the GP-5 already, I think it's unlikely to materialize.
Personally, by now I'm fine with that as it's one rabbit hole less to deal with.
And in case I need a DI NAM file with an additional cab, I just use Tone3000 to create a new consilidated one.
 
Thanks to all for your answers.
I have a Tonex- sound that suits me perfect... may be I should try to create a NAM file via Tone3000?!
Thanks to Sascha for inspiration! :)
 
The GP-150 and GP-180 are looking pretty nice! Looks like they'll have more processing power and 48kHz sampling rate for the audio interface, I'm definitely going to pick up a GP-180 or two.
 
LiCoRn said:
seems like we start to have an initial (British) price listing for the GP-150 (£149.99) and the GP-180 (£159.99)

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Looks like they took the prices down, but that seems in-line with expectations. Would love for the GP-180 to come in at under $200 USD, especially with the frequent sales Sonicake does on ebay.

Here's a quick video with the product manager at Hotone going over the new features of the GP-150 and GP-180:



If the GP-180 has a 2/4in and 4out audio interface, and will be able to play slimmable NAM profiles (with no conversion) not too long after that feature is launched, this could almost be my perfect guitar device.
 
jamma said:
If the GP-180 has a 2/4in and 4out audio interface, and will be able to play slimmable NAM profiles (with no conversion) not too long after that feature is launched, this could almost be my perfect guitar device.
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They would have to do a LOT of work on the interface part, assuming it's even just remotely the same chipset as in the GP-50.
 
Sascha Franck said:
They would have to do a LOT of work on the interface part, assuming it's even just remotely the same chipset as in the GP-50.
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Wouldn't be surprised if it's a similar chipset, I think all of the Sonicake / Valeton products use some form of NXP's RT family of chips. Maybe the GP-150/180 will get the RT1060 in the GP-200 (and Tonex One also, I believe).

What do you mean by "They would have to do a LOT of work on the interface part..." that seems rather vague, like what specifically would they need to change outside of what has already been announced (24/48kHz sampling, improved ADC/DAC)?
 
jamma said:
What do you mean by "They would have to do a LOT of work on the interface part..." that seems rather vague, like what specifically would they need to change outside of what has already been announced
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Well, on the GP-50, the "drivers" (which don't even exist, so it's using what the chipset provides via USB class compliance and macOS' Core Audio) deliver the most horrible performance ever.

Already reported my findings some pages ago, so here's some copy/paste:

"This is BY FAR the worst onboard audio interface I have ever seen in any modeler. There's a recording offset of around 2110 samples at 44.1kHz.
That's more than 47 milliseconds that each of your recordings will be off. Yes, Logic (and some other hosts as well) can compensate for that globally, but seriously, I can hardly believe there even is such bad performance to be had anywhere in interface land - but here we are.
It's so huge that Oblique's RTL utility refuses to work at any buffer settings below 128 samples. And at 128 samples it shows a reported latency of 516 samples (roughly 11ms, which could be considered normal in this category) - just that the actual measured latency is at 2354 samples - which is around 53ms."

Seriously, it doesn't get any worse.
Yes, you can compensate for the offset and fortunately almost all of the latency happens at the input (so you can still play virtual instruments via MIDI, as their latency only depends on the output values), but still, this isn't anything you'd expect from any interface in 2026, not even if it's just kinda "case candy".
It's even more of a shame as you can easily record both the processed sound (collapsed to mono) and a DI track simultaneously - with the DI track sounding quite decent.
 
I’m going to learn everything about my GP-5 as if I were your average TGP’er, IE- I’m not going to read any manuals or product descriptions. I’m only going to ask questions in this thread and possibly a NAM thread and see if I can get it to a ‘finished’ state, no one should feel obligated to answer these questions for me and I will not be insulted if no one does.

I powered the pedal last night and saw almost every preset had No Cab selected, I’m assuming these are all amp caps shot without cabs, or do they include pedals in the ‘No Cab’ thing as well?
 
DrewJD82 said:
I powered the pedal last night and saw almost every preset had No Cab selected, I’m assuming these are all amp caps shot without cabs, or do they include pedals in the ‘No Cab’ thing as well?
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In case they're using captures (the N->S block) cabs can't be used in addition, so you're on the mercy of the imported NAM file to supply cab information or not.
Others than that, it's all about how the preset was saved.
And fwiw, the exact term "No CAB" only exists in the global settings, allowing you to globally disable the cab block (which is quite neat for such a small unit). And it's obviously also irrelevant once captures are imported - because in that case you're at their mercy only.
 
Sascha Franck said:
"This is BY FAR the worst onboard audio interface I have ever seen in any modeler. There's a recording offset of around 2110 samples at 44.1kHz.
That's more than 47 milliseconds that each of your recordings will be off. Yes, Logic (and some other hosts as well) can compensate for that globally, but seriously, I can hardly believe there even is such bad performance to be had anywhere in interface land - but here we are.
It's so huge that Oblique's RTL utility refuses to work at any buffer settings below 128 samples. And at 128 samples it shows a reported latency of 516 samples (roughly 11ms, which could be considered normal in this category) - just that the actual measured latency is at 2354 samples - which is around 53ms."
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Oh wow, that is pretty bad ...:unsure:

Yeah hopefully that is much improved in the newer devices, I don't need crazy low latency for a device to feel good, but that's way too much. Haven't tried recording over USB with my GP-5 yet, but I'd probably have to monitor the analog signal while recording via USB at that point (for reamping I wouldn't care).
 
jamma said:
Haven't tried recording over USB with my GP-5 yet, but I'd probably have to monitor the analog signal while recording via USB at that point (for reamping I wouldn't care).
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The main issue here is the recording offset. Your recordings will just be placed completely out of time. You either need to adjust that for each and every recording (which is something I'd never do) or use a DAW allowing for global compensation (after actually measuring the offset).
 
Looks like GP-150 and GP-180 are now available for order. There are more details available, but not yet on the Valeton website:

I'm not interested anymore, but not having an FX Loop would have been a huge bummer for me. Even the GP-50 has one. Weird design choice.
Prices are available on Andertons and Thomann. It's 150€ for GP-150 and 180€ for GP-180.
Both have a battery included by the way.
 
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