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Boudoir Guitar said:
A generation covers several decades. And boomer, in all its guises, almost always captures a good chunk of gen-x. Of course there is a wide range of amps from the 40s through the early 80s - but they also all have a LOT more in common with themselves than they do a 5153.
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But what does one specific age group of people have to do with the progression of guitar amp changes over time?

I guess I’ve never seen it that way. I always remember players of all ages using the same gear. I remember seeing guys in their 70s and guys in their teens all using the same amps. I remember back in the day bands like Mute Math and Nirvana creating (at the time) very modern music using gear older than themselves. I still see that all happening today.

When I look at guitar amps from the last 80 years I see an interesting and diverse progression, I don’t see it as all fitting in two distinct boxes. I think that’s overly reductionist.
 
metropolis_4 said:
But what does one specific age group of people have to do with the progression of guitar amp changes over time?

I guess I’ve never seen it that way. I always remember players of all ages using the same gear. I remember seeing guys in their 70s and guys in their teens all using the same amps. I remember back in the day bands like Mute Math and Nirvana creating (at the time) very modern music using gear older than themselves. I still see that all happening today.

When I look at guitar amps from the last 80 years I see an interesting and diverse progression, I don’t see it as all fitting in two distinct boxes. I think that’s overly reductionist.
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Dude, it’s just shorthand. No one is saying Boomer amps are only useful for Boomer music. But in terms of the amps themselves, there’s is a stark line in the sand between single channel amps with 1-3 preamp tubes and multichannel amps with 5+ preamp tubes and often multiple points of volume adjustment in each channel.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Dude, it’s just shorthand. No one is saying Boomer amps are only useful for Boomer music. But in terms of the amps themselves, there’s is a stark line in the sand between single channel amps with 1-3 preamp tubes and multichannel amps with 5+ preamp tubes and often multiple points of volume adjustment in each channel.
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But again what does an age group of people have to do with any of that?

Are Benson and Greer “boomer amps” because they’re single channel and don’t have 5+ preamp tubes with multiple points of volume adjustment?

Is a silverface Twin a “modern” amp because it has two channels, 6 preamp tubes and a master volume?

What about all of the amps that don’t fit in either of those categories?

What about amps that are pre-boomer? My boomer parents were 8 years old when the blackface Fenders came out and 5 when the AC30 came out, so are those really “boomer amps”?

I don’t see a “stark line” anywhere in the history of guitar amps, I see a natural flow and progression over time
 
metropolis_4 said:
But again what does an age group of people have to do with any of that?

Are Benson and Greer “boomer amps” because they’re single channel and don’t have 5+ preamp tubes with multiple points of volume adjustment?

Is a silverface Twin a “modern” amp because it has two channels, 6 preamp tubes and a master volume?

What about all of the amps that don’t fit in either of those categories?

What about amps that are pre-boomer? My boomer parents were 8 years old when the blackface Fenders came out and 5 when the AC30 came out, so are those really “boomer amps”?

I don’t see a “stark line” anywhere in the history of guitar amps, I see a natural flow and progression over time
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I really don't think it needs to get this deep.

Let just use a ChatGPT list of boomer bands:

Core “Boomer Rock” Staples​

  • The Rolling Stones
  • Led Zeppelin
  • The Beatles
  • Pink Floyd
  • The Who
  • The Doors
  • Creedence Clearwater Revival (CCR)

Arena & Classic FM Rock​

  • Eagles
  • Fleetwood Mac
  • Boston
  • Journey
  • Foreigner
  • REO Speedwagon
  • Styx

Blues-Based / Guitar Hero Rock​

  • Eric Clapton (Cream, Derek & the Dominos)
  • Jimi Hendrix Experience
  • Deep Purple
  • Santana
  • ZZ Top

Progressive / Album-Oriented Rock​

  • Yes
  • Genesis (Peter Gabriel / early Phil Collins era)
  • Emerson, Lake & Palmer
  • Jethro Tull
  • Supertramp

Southern / Roots Rock​

  • Lynyrd Skynyrd
  • The Allman Brothers Band
  • Little Feat
  • The Band

Often Jokingly Included in “Boomer Rock” Memes​

  • Steely Dan (beloved by audiophiles)
  • Dire Straits
  • Billy Joel
  • Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band
  • Grateful Dead
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Between the included presets and available amps, it's not farfetched at all to say these are the kinds of tones it's geared towards and can do very easily. I dont think anyone is implying it's a bad thing, or that you can only play styles like this with it either.

Obviously it can cover some newer bands sounds too but there's clearly some boundaries around what they're shooting for. You aint getting 4 channel Diezel or sludgy orange, or beefy rectifier or chainsaw 5150 sounds.
Taking a shot every time Tim Henson gets mentioned as a followup to the word Boomer :beer
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Boomer music played on modern amps: Eric Clapton and Warren Hayes.
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Except those like a boat load of midern amps. Actually all the modern amps that spawned other amps were designed by boomers.

No matter what folks wanna think.
The 60s-early 90s are where it’s at with the guitar’s high point. That just happen to be boomer and early Gen X era.

Who uses them? Who they were designed for? Irrelevant.

Marshall ad from 66 for the major. “The most distortion free amplification set-up available” they called it.

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@MirrorProfiles @Boudoir Guitar
@[Nathan]

I’ll leave it at this:

In the past few years I’ve used Mark VII, DSL40, JRT 9/15, and AC30 tube amps along with digital models of Tremolux, Plexi, Mark II, Mark IV, and Benson amps. Along with pedals from the ‘70s, ‘80s, ‘90s, and ‘20s and guitars ranging from a ‘52 RI Tele and ‘60s LP to a EBMM Majesty and St Vincent.

And I’ve used that gear to perform everything from jazz standards from the ‘30s-‘40s, Buddy Holly and Paul Anka from the ‘50s, Beach Boys and Dick Dale from the ‘60s, ABBA and David Bowie from the ‘70s, The GoGo’s and DLR from the ‘80s, No Doubt and The Verve from the ‘90s, Plain White T’s and Sarah Bareilles from the ‘00s, and Jonathan Coulton and John Legend from the ‘10s.

I guess I don’t understand what any of that has to do with people born between ~1946-1964… that makes no sense at all to me.

But if it means something to you guys, that’s great
 
metropolis_4 said:
@MirrorProfiles @Boudoir Guitar
@[Nathan]

I’ll leave it at this:

In the past few years I’ve used Mark VII, DSL40, JRT 9/15, and AC30 tube amps along with digital models of Tremolux, Plexi, Mark II, Mark IV, and Benson amps. Along with pedals from the ‘70s, ‘80s, ‘90s, and ‘20s and guitars ranging from a ‘52 RI Tele and ‘60s LP to a EBMM Majesty and St Vincent.

And I’ve used that gear to perform everything from jazz standards from the ‘30s-‘40s, Buddy Holly and Paul Anka from the ‘50s, Beach Boys and Dick Dale from the ‘60s, ABBA and David Bowie from the ‘70s, The GoGo’s and DLR from the ‘80s, No Doubt and The Verve from the ‘90s, Plain White T’s and Sarah Bareilles from the ‘00s, and Jonathan Coulton and John Legend from the ‘10s.

I guess I don’t understand what any of that has to do with people born between ~1946-1964… that makes no sense at all to me.

But if it means something to you guys, that’s great
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This is dumb. It’s like if someone called an amp aggressive and another person got mad because a mild mannered pacifist makes quirky sentimental pop music with the amp.

If you didn’t appreciate the design difference amongst those amps, you wouldn’t have been able to put together a list of amps of such diverse design. Categories are of course not completely accurate, but can be helpful.

one man’s “man this archetype plugin is hyper focused on modern Neanderthal chugs” is another person’s “yeah, it doesn’t do Boomer tones. Go get S-Gear if you want that crap.” One man’s “man, only Boomer amps” is another man’s “killer clean-to moderate crunch tones and can get wild if you [do things that someone who prefers tight high gain amps won’t consider wild or desirable]”.

if use of the term “boomer” in relation to guitar stuff is new to you…surely the concept of overly broad classifications that aren’t perfect but help folks appreciate the scope, focus, concentration, and limitations of various products is not new.
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
This is dumb. It’s like if someone called an amp aggressive and another person got mad because a mild mannered pacifist makes quirky sentimental pop music with the amp.

If you didn’t appreciate the design difference amongst those amps, you wouldn’t have been able to put together a list of amps of such diverse design. Categories are of course not completely accurate, but can be helpful.

one man’s “man this archetype plugin is hyper focused on modern Neanderthal chugs” is another person’s “yeah, it doesn’t do Boomer tones. Go get S-Gear if you want that crap.” One man’s “man, only Boomer amps” is another man’s “killer clean-to moderate crunch tones and can get wild if you [do things that someone who prefers tight high gain amps won’t consider wild or desirable]”.

if use of the term “boomer” in relation to guitar stuff is new to you…surely the concept of overly broad classifications that aren’t perfect but help folks appreciate the scope, focus, concentration, and limitations of various products is not new.
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To me, classification based on age groups of people is dumb. Amps are like different colors in your palette. You choose the colors you use based on the aesthetic statement you want to make as an artist.

Who cares if the color was created 60years ago or 6 days ago. It’s not the age that matters, it’s the color
 
metropolis_4 said:
To me, classification based on age groups of people is dumb. Amps are like different colors in your palette. You choose the colors you use based on the aesthetic statement you want to make as an artist
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I guess we’ll get rid of terms like 80s rack tones, 70s classic rock tones too since they are terms related to the period of time that the sound is most associated with…
 
Dimiguitar said:
Have you captured your amp 1 with tonex? Played some captures of that and was very unimpressed.

That said, I'm pretty sure the amp was dialed in like a turd, for my tastes, just like most tonex captures for any unit are.

So this says just about nothing for the amp 1, at least considering what I like.
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Not yet. Haven't been too impressed with Tonex captures of it either.
 
metropolis_4 said:
@MirrorProfiles @Boudoir Guitar
@[Nathan]

I’ll leave it at this:

In the past few years I’ve used Mark VII, DSL40, JRT 9/15, and AC30 tube amps along with digital models of Tremolux, Plexi, Mark II, Mark IV, and Benson amps. Along with pedals from the ‘70s, ‘80s, ‘90s, and ‘20s and guitars ranging from a ‘52 RI Tele and ‘60s LP to a EBMM Majesty and St Vincent.

And I’ve used that gear to perform everything from jazz standards from the ‘30s-‘40s, Buddy Holly and Paul Anka from the ‘50s, Beach Boys and Dick Dale from the ‘60s, ABBA and David Bowie from the ‘70s, The GoGo’s and DLR from the ‘80s, No Doubt and The Verve from the ‘90s, Plain White T’s and Sarah Bareilles from the ‘00s, and Jonathan Coulton and John Legend from the ‘10s.

I guess I don’t understand what any of that has to do with people born between ~1946-1964… that makes no sense at all to me.

But if it means something to you guys, that’s great
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Its really not a deep thought discussion haha. I guess at some point people started calling vintage amps boomer amps. Take it or leave it I guess, its really not a big deal.
 
Whizzinby said:
Anyone know what pedal or rack unit the Pitch Shift Delay is based on? That joker is badass with the pitch set off, delay turned to a minimum and getting really cool modulated single repeats.
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Manual states "Pitch-shifted, circuit-bent bucket brigade echoes for wild creative effects". Based on the graphic it could be an EHX derivative (DMM or Echo 600?)
 
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