Two Notes GENOME hardware, amateur product manager edition

[Ross Davies]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

 

[2dor]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

Good question. If it's a floor unit (smaller) and there's a roadmap of updates like Line6 or Fractal, anywhere between the 1,000 - 1,500 EUR would be an easier pill to swallow for most.
It depends on what eventually makes it into the unit, ease-of-use and how it sounds.

If it's going to be just one unit (like Fender did with the ToneMaster Pro), pricing it right is critical. If there's a suite of units (ie. Line6 Helix), then some of the "fat" could be trimmed for wider adoption on a lower price point (FM3 vs FM9 vs Axe FX).

We've also seen somewhat of a success in what NDSP did with their plugins which can be used on the Quad Cortex. If done right, that could work since you have the Genome software for desktop; I say could because there's always a risk of the temptation to withold updates from customers of the hardware unit & force it down as paid DLC (for instance, I haven't seen too many new amps added to the Quad Cortex vs the ones it launched with).

 

[laxu]

Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

I think it comes down to how powerful it is. In my posts I've imagined it a lot like a "Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp Mk2" type device in terms of hardware, and that's a roughly 400-450 € box. So with more processing power, maybe a 700-1000 € price point?

I can't say much about the Genome tones atm. I haven't been able to try Genome even once since it released. It would not let me log in, and resets from your helpdesk have just ended up with "your 14-day trial has expired" state. I hope they can solve it as I'd love to take it for a spin.

 

[mikah912]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

I think @2dor nailed it with the $1000-$1500 price range. Essentially, something like the new Darkglass Anagram, but with more than three footswitches. They're around $1000-$1100. I'd expect yours to be in the same ballpark or slightly above it.

 

[nicolasrivera]

Amazing feedback here guys! Thank you so much! All noted down for review with our dev team. Here's the big question - considering a touch-screen, multi-core processor, encoders and foot-switches (plus all the remote connectivity you expect from Two notes), what would you expect to pay for this?

Darkglass is the perfect example! today they have released ANAGRAM, its $1,199.99 in the USA. By what i have seen in the few videos it is a powerfull future proof unit. So this amount of money is whats expected for a powerfull future and feauture proof unit that will get firmware development support over the next 5 years minimum.

 

[[Nathan]]

For the Genome crowd, what input level/spec are you using for the Amplifier models? According to the spreadsheet info we have the level should be around +10.2dBu. When I use that level things are still sounding undergained to me. There's a bunch of nifty features in Genome but when I can't get the base levels/sound right it throws me off for the rest of it. If anyone has tips for this that would be great. I'll do up a quick screengrab to show what I'm hearing compared to some other amp sims

 

[[Nathan]]

I dont normally nerd out like this because I can find levels or set them by ear, but something about the Genome models I cant seem to get quite right so here we are.

Guitar recorded at +13dbu and NDSP/STL/NAM are adjusted to this input spec
According to the info we have, Genome needs +2.8 to hit +10.2dBu which is what I've set it to (This could be wrong and is essentially my question here)

All the models are feeding into Cabinetron to use the same IR. None of the amps are running pedals or post processing. I didn't really dial them in to sound insanely similar, just ballpark stuff and levelled by ear so we can hear a gain comparison where Genome seems to be lacking (due to levels I'm guessing). I've played around with the gain in the amp as well as the plugin input and I can sort of get things a bit better by guessing and feathering those... but I figure this should be a pretty easy set and forget and im not sure what the discrepancy is. If I leave the input here at +2.8 and turn the gain to 10 on the amp, it kind of sounds similar to Middleton but I've used this stuff enough to know that its off when doing that.

I've been meaning to email support/ask this question here but I don't use it much and if I can figure this out it would be pretty handy to get some mileage out of it