Tube amps are going away…. again.

[la szum]

Those are an improvement, but they still feel and respond weird to me

They also break. Easily. Don't ask me how, but I trashed an entire set of the Zildians and was using 7As.

 

[Stone]

Godsmack, Seether, Nickelback)

Dad Rock ?

 

[ejecta]

And few of them (less than the fingers I have on one hand) have a decent enough
personality, so that I would want to spend any amount of time with them.

Well if true I guess you won’t be watching much of the content then. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jarick]

Dad Rock ?

Drunk uncle rock?

Deadbeat dad rock?

 

[JiveTurkey]

This is what I am talking about. I don't like the band really at all but they are a big band from that timeframe

Meanwhile; on the gift of tone page for Fluff it's the band with pop punk Jack Black: Lame Edition on lead vocals

 

[ejecta]

This is what I am talking about. I don't like the band really at all but they are a big band from that timeframe

Meanwhile; on the gift of tone page for Fluff it's the band with pop punk Jack Black: Lame Edition on lead vocals

Yeah don’t care for the pop punk vibe at least the way they do it but there some cool riffs in some of those tunes.

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

Is a thread about click bait click bait?


Wut?

 

[DrewJD82]

I don't think I've ever seen an electric drum kit on stage. I had one when I was a teenager tho

There ya go. Look how happy that dude looks to be rockin’ V-Drums.

I couldn’t do it. Love modeling, but drums are way too much of a physical instrument. Even the latest, greatest V-Drum kits don’t get there for me. Maybe this is why I’ve been jaded about guitar playing lately; I’m satisfied with the gear and tones. If I switch to drums I’ll have more inspiration to bitch about sh*t.

That said, I’d KILL to have a set of V-Drums in my apartment. I miss playing drums so much and since I’m programming all my drums anyway, it’d take me half as much time to record songs if I had a kit. Maybe instead of another guitar this year I’ll put my bonus towards a kit.

 

[deathbyguitar]

I've been playing drums in a band for close to 2 years and insist on using e-drums because of the extreme level of control I have over the sounds, not to mention the portability. Last weekend, we used my Axe-FX III for 2 guitars, bass and as an audio interface for my e-drums all at the same time. It was glorious having everything in one preset. I'm obsessed with trying to get the most out of the unit so we can carry as little gear as humanly possible. I'm planning a YouTube video about this in-case anyone cares.

As for the original topic, anyone who's seen touring metal shows in the last 10+ years knows Fluff is spot-on. Pretty much every signed, nationally touring metal band is using modelers, foregoing cabs on stage more often than not. For the bands that do decide to have cabs on stage for volume, I'm not convinced it even makes a difference. Everything is so damn loud to begin with and whatever guitar tone you have will most likely get drowned out by extreme amounts of bass, low mids and ear-piercing highs from the PA. The audience doesn't care one way or another. Oh, what I wouldn't give to go to a metal show that didn't sound like bees...

 

[James Freeman]

It's getting hard to find real user reviews/experience, I see the same faces over and over again on youtube, and big forums are ridden with ads, shills and paid moderation, it's a giant advertisement machine and I am thoroughly sick of it.
That's why Reddit is becoming ever more popular when it comes to finding real user experience about a product via google search.

 

[EOengineer]

My current project rehearses every week using a full silent setup. We’ve been doing this since Covid and almost instantly realized there was no going back due to many factors.

Our drummer was a traditionalist BIG TIME and didn’t initially love the Ekit playing experience, but fast forward 2 years and there’s rarely a complaint. The key to success in this case was to abandon the cheesy hardware sounds that come with most modules (even the REAL expensive ones) and switch to using an EDrumin10 to send MIDI to Superior Drummer 3. This single change was the biggest Improvement both in sound and feel because of EDrumins adjustable trigger parameters, and because of SD3’s overall flexibility.

Obviously this doesn’t work for everyone in a gigging situation, but I’m fairly certain we’re going to start seeing drum modules that can run and recall plugins in the near future, so I suspect the digital drumming landscape will change dramatically over the next 2-3 years where we will see much more widespread digital drumming in live scenarios. Hell, half the bands in the area are already sending kick and sometimes snare samples direct to FOH.

Anyway - I get the critiques of digital drumming given it’s history, but things are starting to get pretty good and will only get better.

Re: amp modeling live - I think that’s another scenario where we’re going to see a lot of progress in the next few years which will help drive adoption, both in modeling tech and amplification strategies..

 

[DrewJD82]

For the bands that do decide to have cabs on stage for volume, I'm not convinced it even makes a difference. Everything is so damn loud to begin with and whatever guitar tone you have will most likely get drowned out by extreme amounts of bass, low mids and ear-piercing highs from the PA. The audience doesn't care one way or another. Oh, what I wouldn't give to go to a metal show that didn't sound like bees...

This depends on the venue you’re in and how close to the stage you are. I thought the anti-modeler crowd was using this as an excuse to hate on it but while I was at a show a few months back, it was some younger band I can’t remember, Darkest Hour, Upon a Burning Body and In Flames, everyone but Upon A Burning Body had amps/cabs onstage and while everything coming out of the PA sounded fine they had zero balls on that stage. It’s a 500 seat venue where the audience is right against the stage. Sandwiched between two bands that had 4x12’s and 8x10’s onstage, it was like listening to a CD over the PA.

That experience alone made me realize I’ll never go without a cab unless I absolutely have to.

 

[metropolis_4]

I think amps vs digital is highly style and venue dependent. I would expect a ton of touring metal bands who are using IEMs and playing mid-large venues to go digital because it makes so much more sense.

It’s probably in smaller venues and other styles that amps still make the most sense.

I find that the rule of thumb for me is that the more I’m hearing other instruments acoustically the more I want an amp.

If I’m playing a church gig with electric drums, electric keyboards, bass going direct, everyone on IEMs then I don’t care about having an amp.

But the time I want an amp the most is when I’m playing with acoustic drums on one side of me and a horn section on the other blasting out funk or big band tunes. Or small combos where I’ve got acoustic drums, an acoustic bass, and an acoustic piano.

I’ve measured just a small 3 piece horn section blasting 115db from where I sit 10-15 ft away

 

[EOengineer]

This depends on the venue you’re in and how close to the stage you are. I thought the anti-modeler crowd was using this as an excuse to hate on it but while I was at a show a few months back, it was some younger band I can’t remember, Darkest Hour, Upon a Burning Body and In Flames, everyone but Upon A Burning Body had amps/cabs onstage and while everything coming out of the PA sounded fine they had zero balls on that stage. It’s a 500 seat venue where the audience is right against the stage. Sandwiched between two bands that had 4x12’s and 8x10’s onstage, it was like listening to a CD over the PA.

That experience alone made me realize I’ll never go without a cab unless I absolutely have to.

It’s hard to move away from what we are used to and/or grew up on isn’t it? Even as a proponent of direct to FOH solutions, it’s difficult to argue against some of the merits of having a guitar cab on stage, assuming you can get any volume under it.

I’ve experienced the hollow stage thing you describe and it can be weird. If a venue really cranks the wedges I find sometimes it’s fine, but highly variable.

 

[Gearzilla]

This gives me 80's GAS like a mofo

Seen him live a number of times with the Simmons rig. Sounded awesome!

 

[Deadpan]

I much prefer a tube amp for rehearsal and small room jams.

 

[FuzzyAce]

I much prefer a tube amp for rehearsal and small room jams.

I'm still at that point too, although I'd be open to using the HX stomp with a tube power amp and cab setup.

 

[GuitarBilly]

I put together a killer e-kit for our practice space. My drummer loves it. But live we're all about amps and drums.

 

[GuitarBilly]

as for amps going away LOL no

 

[EOengineer]

I put together a killer e-kit for our practice space. My drummer loves it. But live we're all about amps and drums.

Trying not to hijack this thread but curious to know what you are using for the cymbal setup there. Kit looks great btw!

I converted a mid level pacific kit during early Covid and used a couple different 3rd party triggers with pretty good success but eventually reverted that conversion and grabbed some Roland PD-125 pads for snare and toms, KD-85 for kick, and the EDrumin midi interface and it’s been smooth sailing. I always think about trying to convert some metal cymbals though.