The Pickups Thread

Congrats. I believe the best use of EMG's is to rip them out and drop them in a recycling bin. Its better than tossing them in a dumpster which is the second best use of EMG"s.

I really wanted to like them across guitars but yeah after the honeymoon I really couldn’t figure out what was appealing.

Also it’s nice not to have to constantly unplug my guitar when not playing to avoid battery drain.
 
I really wanted to like them across guitars but yeah after the honeymoon I really couldn’t figure out what was appealing.

Also it’s nice not to have to constantly unplug my guitar when not playing to avoid battery drain.

They're just easy, especially for anything high gain. They're quiet as all hell, work well for both rhythm and leads, can handle any and all saturation and effects without losing clarity, and compressed enough that they track evenly, and require the most minimal EQ to fit in a mix. A lot of people use EMGs exclusively in the studio because of this.

But outside of that, they're really sterile, lack dynamics, and can be exhausting on the ears after playing for long periods, so it's perfectly understandable why people have trouble sticking with them.
 
I’ve been wanting to dump the 490 set in my SG Standard for YEARS. They howl uncontrollably if I’m within 6 feet of the amp at stage volume.

I found a cheap used set of potted 60s Burstbuckers from a Gibson employee that had just yanked them out of his 60s LP Standard. I have the same set in my LP and like them.

I’m also replacing the stupid PCB electronics with traditional 50s wiring. If I don’t like the 60s BB in the SG I will throw them in my backup LP and steal it’s Burstbucker Pros.
 
My beef isn’t really the PCB quality, it’s that it obfuscates what’s happening in the electronics cavity in an unhelpful way if you want to change things.

I’m much more comfortable modifying and maintaining free wired electronics.
Yes it does not lend itself to any changes.
 
But outside of that, they're really sterile, lack dynamics, and can be exhausting on the ears after playing for long periods, so it's perfectly understandable why people have trouble sticking with them.
There could be some truth to this as far as the full humbuckers go, but I can't say that about their singles like the S, SA, SV or SAV. They're fairly dynamic. The S for example can have the most sweetest and lovely clean tones yet become a raging monster with more and more gain, and it responds very nicely to pick attack. A lot of territory can be covered and covered well. But these things vary for everybody and we all pick differently so there's that. EMGs are just another choice, and they trend up and down for me. Just like many gear decisions, these things go in cycles because we're curious and want to try something else.
 
I don't know about the dynamics either, they seemed fine. I just found once I swapped back to passives I was a lot happier with the sound.

I want to find a used Mexican Strat to move the set too though, I think it would be fun to keep around but not in one of my main guitars.
 
There could be some truth to this as far as the full humbuckers go, but I can't say that about their singles like the S, SA, SV or SAV. They're fairly dynamic. The S for example can have the most sweetest and lovely clean tones yet become a raging monster with more and more gain, and it responds very nicely to pick attack. A lot of territory can be covered and covered well. But these things vary for everybody and we all pick differently so there's that. EMGs are just another choice, and they trend up and down for me. Just like many gear decisions, these things go in cycles because we're curious and want to try something else.

Yeah I would say that the single coils, 57/66 set and perhaps even the Het Set fall into a different category. But their most widely used and iconic set is the 81/85, which is what I was speaking on.

I myself have branched out into other pickups tons of times, and always find my way back to the EMG 81/85, but I also grew up on that sound from 2000s metal, so they'll always be the default "correct" sound to my ears that I can't help but gauge all other tones on. I imagine it's the same for people who grew up listening to or learning songs with single coil or vintage tones.
 
Yeah I would say that the single coils, 57/66 set and perhaps even the Het Set fall into a different category. But their most widely used and iconic set is the 81/85, which is what I was speaking on.

I myself have branched out into other pickups tons of times, and always find my way back to the EMG 81/85, but I also grew up on that sound from 2000s metal, so they'll always be the default "correct" sound to my ears that I can't help but gauge all other tones on. I imagine it's the same for people who grew up listening to or learning songs with single coil or vintage tones.
Definitely. My first EMG sets were the 81/85 and the S set. This was '95/96. The 81/85 do a few things really well and that's about it lol. But sometimes that's all you need! I had them installed for years in my '71 Artist. Surprisingly good clean tones, and of course sounded great when running distortion. But the S set is/was more my thing because of the dynamics and clarity. Much more versatile.
 
Just had a Tonerider Rocksong installed in a Tokai Bunmblebee from the 80’s with only one volume knob.

Quite impressed compared to some more boutique vendors I’ve used especially for the price approx £35.

It’s not as tight as I would like but I think that can be the case with Alnico 2 magnets. I might be able to some tweaking.

Cleans up better than my BKP VHii on my Suhr when rolling down the volume.

I wonder how much of that is the pots rather than the pickups.
 
Just had a Tonerider Rocksong installed in a Tokai Bunmblebee from the 80’s with only one volume knob.

Quite impressed compared to some more boutique vendors I’ve used especially for the price approx £35.

It’s not as tight as I would like but I think that can be the case with Alnico 2 magnets. I might be able to some tweaking.

Cleans up better than my BKP VHii on my Suhr when rolling down the volume.

I wonder how much of that is the pots rather than the pickups.
I see the Toneriders come up a lot. I’ve been tempted by their PAF clones especially.
 
I've spent a week with the EJ pickups in my Old Man Strat, overall I absolutely love them and they came with some epiphanies/connecting of dots with what EJ's said about what he's aiming for with his tone and how those pickups sound. Obviously, they're not HS-2's with the double coil disconnected, nor are they '54's with the poles pushed down by EJ himself, but he's used them quite a bit. I have an HS-2 I bought years ago for this exact purpose, but after I get more familiar with the EJ bridge pickup I'm going to swap it out and give the HS-2 a shot (disconnected 2nd coil).

I said it in another thread but I've never had this experience of hearing the acoustic sound of the guitar and then the sound coming out of the speakers being so identical before. They're like microphones with 5 different EQ settings with fairly subtle curves until you hit that 2nd position and the mids and bass drop right out.

This was the night I got 'em working, you can kinda get an idea of what I'm talking about when I'm playing clean and changing the pickups-


On the topic of EMG's, I actually sat down today with the intent of noting the differences between the EJ's and the Gilmour EMG's. When shooting out the Dover Drives the other night I found I would have to use the Dovers with either a distorted amp or stacked with another dirt pedal to get what I get out of them with the Gilmour pickups (with both boosters off).

I'll make a little clip. I've wanted to have some kind of comparison with a lower output set of single coils and the EMG's because I definitely feel they're far more misunderstood than acknowledged for what they are. Even I had the wrong idea of them before I actually used them.
 
I've spent a week with the EJ pickups in my Old Man Strat, overall I absolutely love them and they came with some epiphanies/connecting of dots with what EJ's said about what he's aiming for with his tone and how those pickups sound. Obviously, they're not HS-2's with the double coil disconnected, nor are they '54's with the poles pushed down by EJ himself, but he's used them quite a bit. I have an HS-2 I bought years ago for this exact purpose, but after I get more familiar with the EJ bridge pickup I'm going to swap it out and give the HS-2 a shot (disconnected 2nd coil).

I said it in another thread but I've never had this experience of hearing the acoustic sound of the guitar and then the sound coming out of the speakers being so identical before. They're like microphones with 5 different EQ settings with fairly subtle curves until you hit that 2nd position and the mids and bass drop right out.

This was the night I got 'em working, you can kinda get an idea of what I'm talking about when I'm playing clean and changing the pickups-


On the topic of EMG's, I actually sat down today with the intent of noting the differences between the EJ's and the Gilmour EMG's. When shooting out the Dover Drives the other night I found I would have to use the Dovers with either a distorted amp or stacked with another dirt pedal to get what I get out of them with the Gilmour pickups (with both boosters off).

I'll make a little clip. I've wanted to have some kind of comparison with a lower output set of single coils and the EMG's because I definitely feel they're far more misunderstood than acknowledged for what they are. Even I had the wrong idea of them before I actually used them.

The Gilmour (SA) pickups are nice, but they have more of a midrange push that makes them darker, smokier. Not a bad thing, but I do find the S pickup has more of that acoustic quality that lets a strat breathe with better articulation, which is closer imo to that of a normal single coil. That said, I still love my dimarzio virtual '54 and area '58, especially for neck position tones. Pole pieces do make a difference. Eventually I'll wire a strat with regular singles again, perhaps the EJ set too. (y) Hopefully will get my Dover Drive this week or next. :banana
 
The Gilmour (SA) pickups are nice, but they have more of a midrange push that makes them darker, smokier. Not a bad thing, but I do find the S pickup has more of that acoustic quality that lets a strat breathe with better articulation, which is closer imo to that of a normal single coil. That said, I still love my dimarzio virtual '54 and area '58, especially for neck position tones. Pole pieces do make a difference. Eventually I'll wire a strat with regular singles again, perhaps the EJ set too. (y) Hopefully will get my Dover Drive this week or next. :banana

Hahahah, I do not doubt that you've had that experience with them and we can use this clip below as evidence that all this shit can be wildly different depending on a million other factors. You're going to hear the total opposite of what you just wrote :rofl

In order-

Orville w/ Suhr Aldrich/'57 Classic - '54 Spec Strat (ash body)/maple neck) w EJ pickups - '57 Spec Strat (alder bod/maple neck) w/Gilmour EMG's



All guitars are going straight into my Plexi50, Normal channel with the volume on 6. I consider this the 'truth' spot because that dirt will change wildly depending on every little frickin nuance in front of the amp. Hahahah I was actually coming to write in my post "I'm surprised how mid-scooped the EMG's are, which doesn't help some of the tropes"!

The Strats sound different acoustically to begin with, I really don't care how much people buy into all this stuff and I only observe what's in front of me, nor do I use it as any kind of marker of tonal perfection when certain elements are combined, it's all happenstance and unfuckingpredictable and at best we can aim in certain directions.
 
Hahahah, I do not doubt that you've had that experience with them and we can use this clip below as evidence that all this shit can be wildly different depending on a million other factors. You're going to hear the total opposite of what you just wrote :rofl

In order-

Orville w/ Suhr Aldrich/'57 Classic - '54 Spec Strat (ash body)/maple neck) w EJ pickups - '57 Spec Strat (alder bod/maple neck) w/Gilmour EMG's



All guitars are going straight into my Plexi50, Normal channel with the volume on 6. I consider this the 'truth' spot because that dirt will change wildly depending on every little frickin nuance in front of the amp. Hahahah I was actually coming to write in my post "I'm surprised how mid-scooped the EMG's are, which doesn't help some of the tropes"!

The Strats sound different acoustically to begin with, I really don't care how much people buy into all this stuff and I only observe what's in front of me, nor do I use it as any kind of marker of tonal perfection when certain elements are combined, it's all happenstance and unfuckingpredictable and at best we can aim in certain directions.

Yep, it is very subjective and personal experiences do vary. There are a lot of factors for sure, pickup height itself can change everything - especially on the neck pickup side of things. It's drastic in some guitars because of the acoustic energy in that location. The S version is still more articulate and slightly scooped (hifi) compared to an SA though. I've compared them back to back on the same guitar and strings thanks to the quick disconnects on EMGs.
 
The Gilmour (SA) pickups are nice, but they have more of a midrange push that makes them darker, smokier. Not a bad thing, but I do find the S pickup has more of that acoustic quality that lets a strat breathe with better articulation, which is closer imo to that of a normal single coil. That said, I still love my dimarzio virtual '54 and area '58, especially for neck position tones. Pole pieces do make a difference. Eventually I'll wire a strat with regular singles again, perhaps the EJ set too. (y) Hopefully will get my Dover Drive this week or next. :banana
I have an MJ Gilmour paired up with a couple of Abby 54 replicas in my Strat with EJ tone and a Gilmour switch mod on a push pull. It works great and covers a lot of ground while remaining solidly Strat . All the air in the 6.6k alnico 3 54s still with mids and piano bass. Then a push from the bridge..
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I have an MJ Gilmour paired up with a couple of Abby 54 replicas in my Strat with EJ tone and a Gilmour switch mod on a push pull. It works great and covers a lot of ground while retaining solidly Strat . All the air in the 6.6k alnico 3 54s still with mids and piano bass. Then a push from the bridge..
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Very nice. It's been a looong time since I've had standard singles in a strat. Putting the Fralin single back in my tele got me jonesing again.
The last set I had in a strat was Fender '55s IIRC, and those had some sponginess about them that was cool but I really couldn't take the noise on stage. So EMG was a welcome solution back then which in many ways helped me form my own sound.
 
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