paisleywookiee
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Yeah, that's a good idea.
The Official Original Artificial Intelligence We're All F***ing Doomed Thread
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ian_dissonance
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See, that actually helps an artist, sort of like a mix reference for an audio engineer. As long as they’re not just doing a few PS touchups it makes sense. Like if you used to make a drum riff to SHOW a real drummer what your idea is, that makes sense if you can’t explain it or program it yourself.
paisleywookiee
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I'd be happy if everything leaned more towards tool, than "replacement". Sketchpad, vs. final draft.
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As a long time user of Band in a Box, since it was a MS-DOS MIDI chords sequencer, (now it has what they call "Real Tracks"; audio recordings of
different styles made by professional musicians following your chosen chords sequence), I would really love that it had advanced AI capabilities. Currently it only has stem splitting, audio to midi, and a stupid lyrics generator.
Something like: Make the drums like Phill Collins on "Fifth of Firth", the keyboards like Rick Wright on "Shine on your crazy Diamond", and the Bass a mixture of Geddy Lee on "La Villa Strangiato" and Chris Squire in "Roundabout". Give it a tragic melancholic mood that progressively builds to devastating climax and chaotic tension with a cathartic finale, like "Starless" by King Crimson.
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different styles made by professional musicians following your chosen chords sequence), I would really love that it had advanced AI capabilities. Currently it only has stem splitting, audio to midi, and a stupid lyrics generator.
Something like: Make the drums like Phill Collins on "Fifth of Firth", the keyboards like Rick Wright on "Shine on your crazy Diamond", and the Bass a mixture of Geddy Lee on "La Villa Strangiato" and Chris Squire in "Roundabout". Give it a tragic melancholic mood that progressively builds to devastating climax and chaotic tension with a cathartic finale, like "Starless" by King Crimson.
PG Music - Band-in-a-Box for Windows - New RealTracks
www.pgmusic.com
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Ed DeGenaro
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I relate.
On one hand I’m gleefully happy about the handwringing over jobless.
No not because I’m some cunt that gets his kicks that way.
But the guys that are affected first is guys that compose jingles etc.
and the reality is that once it took a composer, arranger and musicians.
Now it’s one guy doing it that frets over a machine taking over his gig.
They deserve.
The handwringing about musicians being obsolete, not really. There will be a need for guys doing it live in person.
And again how is it different the the modern day internet guitar hero spending more time editing than playing and then mime on video.
It’s the logical progression human nature is to fault.
I mean the devaluation of music started long before file sharing or streaming.
It started with guys with day jobs insisting on their “right” to gig and under bitting union musicians.
So I have really no issue with AI. But with people.
Soo let it burn.
But I’ll be damned if I’m just bitching about it instead of learning how I can use it to make tasks I don’t enjoy or unable to do.
Orchestral and choir sounds beat libraries any day. And it’ll only get better.
Singers, don’t use vocals unless I have to.
Not because I don’t like vocals, I don’t like singers.
Which brings me to my actual point.
Art, or creative use? In music I see folks abuse that term.
It’s craft at best.
The human element? Oh please guys that scream the loudest are the first to do a gazillion takes and then edit those to death.
IK just released a plug that replaces vocals with a session singer so it uses the performance with great tones. I think that is where AI comes in handy.
EQ plugs that fix resonances between tracks, hell it’s faster than me using my ears and those actually work still reasonably well for an old bastard.
So yeah I’m cool with AI, I’m not cool with people.
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Yeah, I definitely changed my opinion on that side of things the more I learned about it, how it's starting to be utilized and how it's trained. I can't remember the timeline of it all but when I stuck it through the lens of music and how I feel about that my stance on the artwork pretty much did a 180. Despite loving the results I was coming up with, it felt hypocritical to speak against it in the context of music while doing the exact same thing with it for artwork.
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I've got no argument for any of that in the same way I don't argue with people that do a zillion takes and edit them, or even edit at all just because I don't do any of that, unless we're talking drum MIDI's. I have an opinion on it, but I'm definitely not about to waste time arguing any of it with those who work in that fashion.
Guitar/bass/vocals I actually enjoy going for a million takes if I have to, because if I need more than 3 than there's some challenge in there I'm going to tackle and that sense of accomplishment still gives me as much joy today as it did when I was teenager, sometimes more so, having a better grasp of the big picture as an adult. I'm extremely grateful I even have the motivation to put in that effort.
I'd also argue there's a bit of a difference between a professional musician like you utilizing it to keep food on the table and a little shithead who just doesn't want to put in the time and writes "Slipknot but Dua Lipa Beat and Billie Eilish singing" into a prompt while telling musicians they're entitled for not finding any merit in it.
I'm under no illusion it'll be stopped, at the very most it'll be limited to those with the most money, but that doesn't make me any more interested in utilizing it in creative efforts.
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When I was in College I had to read Henry David Thoreau's book Walden and Civil Disobedience
for a class. In Walden Hank goes off the rails about trains, and how they will be the demise of
humans, of walking, of discourse.
Throeau was so caught up in an extreme about trains and railroads, and assumed bi-pedalism
and horses would vanish completely, and that didn't allow him to see the things that trains and railroads
would undo, and what they would not touch at all. I mention that because I wonder if the AI conversation
is similar. When we become fixated on the most extreme scenarios, then maybe we end up missing out
on the super realistic and plausible scenarios and outcomes. The ones already happening. Like the assault
on the cubicles and IT/White Collar sectors of the workforce. It's going to be a bloodbath, by all accounts.
I also wonder why we are not all getting a royalty on the theft of data and intelligence that has
been co-opted by the AI/Tech Bros whose only source of data and information came from you
know where? Yup. From us. Each and everyone of us. They didn't invent or create the data. They took it.
(And we all tapped the "Accept Agreement" icon that allowed for the theft in the first place)
Then again, the theft, plunder, and pillaging of the Many to serve and sanctify the One is a Story as old as the Pyramids.
.... as old as the Monarchy.... and the Papacy.
(Apologies to Henry if I took his statements out of context. It's been a minute. )
for a class. In Walden Hank goes off the rails about trains, and how they will be the demise of
humans, of walking, of discourse.
Throeau was so caught up in an extreme about trains and railroads, and assumed bi-pedalism
and horses would vanish completely, and that didn't allow him to see the things that trains and railroads
would undo, and what they would not touch at all. I mention that because I wonder if the AI conversation
is similar. When we become fixated on the most extreme scenarios, then maybe we end up missing out
on the super realistic and plausible scenarios and outcomes. The ones already happening. Like the assault
on the cubicles and IT/White Collar sectors of the workforce. It's going to be a bloodbath, by all accounts.
I also wonder why we are not all getting a royalty on the theft of data and intelligence that has
been co-opted by the AI/Tech Bros whose only source of data and information came from you
know where? Yup. From us. Each and everyone of us. They didn't invent or create the data. They took it.
(And we all tapped the "Accept Agreement" icon that allowed for the theft in the first place)
Then again, the theft, plunder, and pillaging of the Many to serve and sanctify the One is a Story as old as the Pyramids.
.... as old as the Monarchy.... and the Papacy.
(Apologies to Henry if I took his statements out of context. It's been a minute. )
paisleywookiee
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Because whether you like AI or not, every one of those fuckers are absolute sociopaths, except maybe the Anthropic guy. Hell, Fuckerberg has to be coached on how to act human.
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There's been that meme about robots, can't find the original, but it went kinda like:
"20 years ago I dreamt of roboters doing the laundry, dishes and vacuuming, so I'd have more time to make music. Today, I'm still doing the laundry, dishes and vacuuming while roboters are making music!"
This absolutely nails the AI situation as well. For the most part, AI isn't serving us but taking things away. Sure, it'd be nice if it could do the hard work. And it even can. It's possibly not much fun for a graphic designer to do the umpteenth 80th birthday card - so here comes AI. But all those "AI and robots will work for us" includes some kinda financial compensation, a welfare thing or whatever. And that's what's simply not happening. AI is now doing the birthday cards with the grahic designers ending up without work and money. Thank you very much.
"20 years ago I dreamt of roboters doing the laundry, dishes and vacuuming, so I'd have more time to make music. Today, I'm still doing the laundry, dishes and vacuuming while roboters are making music!"
This absolutely nails the AI situation as well. For the most part, AI isn't serving us but taking things away. Sure, it'd be nice if it could do the hard work. And it even can. It's possibly not much fun for a graphic designer to do the umpteenth 80th birthday card - so here comes AI. But all those "AI and robots will work for us" includes some kinda financial compensation, a welfare thing or whatever. And that's what's simply not happening. AI is now doing the birthday cards with the grahic designers ending up without work and money. Thank you very much.
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i am wondering that
the art could be done by AI ?
is there any examples out there
i dont know i am sorry might be wrong
is there something else out there feels to you as phenomenal as artists did such as vai satriani petrucci gilmour
or they are just a regular piece of shit
just like another birthday card
and birthday card will be never consider as an art for me
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Not yet. But it will come.
Yeah. Those needed to be in place *now* already. But they never will be.
Absolutely with you! Yet, the issue with military AI is: If you don't use it, you're opponents will.
Same issue with anything AI, really. There needed to be regulations - but any of these regulations would have to be agreed upon worldwide. And without starting anything political, I guess we can perfectly agree that right at this moment, we're pretty far away from the big players working hand in hand. In fact, it's absolutely the opposite, possibly even more so than, say, during the cold war.
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Exactly. That is the same that happened with the nuclear arms race, which is now being reignited after the refusal to renew the major treaty that expired in February 2026. Get yours much bigger than the others, even though Mutual Assured Destruction was already surpassed long time ago.
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I'm not a doom and gloom, black-pill kind of guy. I definitely try to be an optimist with most things in life.
I've chosen not to take part in A.I. on a personal level. Of course, having any kind of online presence makes avoiding it an impossibility, pretty much. I sincerely wish humans weren't so gleeful about something taking away more humanity from us. But also as a realist, it is not surprising if you follow the history of humanity. We can be the very best but also the absolute worst at the same time. Much of it is like a pendulum. The hope is that the pendulum doesn't crash down and fling what's left of humanity off the top. I still like people, generally speaking.
I've chosen not to take part in A.I. on a personal level. Of course, having any kind of online presence makes avoiding it an impossibility, pretty much. I sincerely wish humans weren't so gleeful about something taking away more humanity from us. But also as a realist, it is not surprising if you follow the history of humanity. We can be the very best but also the absolute worst at the same time. Much of it is like a pendulum. The hope is that the pendulum doesn't crash down and fling what's left of humanity off the top. I still like people, generally speaking.
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I’ll play devils advocate.
How is it different than say printing.
That used to be a well paid blue collar gig.
The digital made hugs parts of it redundant.
I mean I keep coming back to this.
Composing for film meant having arranger, musicians, producer and engineer put bread on the table.
That went to a guy in his room doing it on the computer.
So now that guy is made redundant. And moans to high heaven.
So until it affects the user base we’re part of it’s ok.
I mean how many folks have you seen talk about their “right” to gig, under biting bands with union musicians to the point unions are not just toothless but useless.
My take, stuff needs to be completely torn down before it can be rebuild.
As for AI, there are companies doing the right thing.
Look at IK with their re-sing plug. They have a bunch of singers they recorded for it and it’s super imposed on your singing.
Sorta like extreme pitch to midi to vst thing.
They’re not scouring the internet for stuff they add to the database.
I tried it and love it.
I had a bitchen sax performance terrible recording.
It kept the performance. And got me the proper sound.
Everything is fake xxl these days, which bodes well for guys doing it in person.
I mean I dig Polyphia but fuuuuck watch that NAMM video with Vai that’ll tell ya where they at without editing.
Same with Tosin Abasi,watch the Ibanez days thing with Paul Gilbert.
Personally I absolutely love Suno as composer. I play a melody into it and since I’ve fed a bucket load of my albums it knows how I want it orchestrated.
No prompting. Just playing.
As a musician, who cares if I had to shed 12 hours a day to get what a kid does with a few prompts.
Like it’s better when you have guys like Giacomo what’s his name, or Ichiko or Gardener faking it by chopping and miming
Drummer plugs like the one in Logic or the Toontrack stuff are getting used by guys that worked never hired session guys.
My bigger question here is why is Ibanez endorsing those guys. I’m certain they aren’t unaware so by that logic it means that they’ll still sell planks whether to musicians or fakers matters little.
Hopefully there will be some guys that enjoy doing it for real.
I certainly hope so.
And lastly, art. Hmmm, seems most of that type of stuff falls under craft.
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The difference is that it took *way* longer for the transition. That's incredibly important. Same with the horsesmith analogy. Yes, they were replaced by modern tech, but it took 1-2 generations, so people had time to adjust. Not so with AI.
Same thing, the transition to MIDI, full digital, plugins and what not took a lot more time than AI to happen.
I completely disagree. If anything, the human voice is the most intimate thing we can use to make music. Any of these tools completely sends that down the shitter.
And yes, I hate Autotune almost as much.
I heard some stuff. Not saying anything else anymore.
Of course it's not better. But that's full stop whataboutism.