The Official Original Artificial Intelligence We're All F***ing Doomed Thread

[paisleywookiee]

Not fond on AI generated images for album covers. I still prefer some real person doing it.

However, for my next EP I did use AI to make the main idea for the cover. Once I was happy with it, I sent it to a friend and asked him to basically do it right. It was much better than verbally explaining my idea. He won't loose time and I'll be happier with the result being closer to what I had in mind.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Not fond on AI generated images for album covers. I still prefer some real person doing it.

However, for my next EP I did use AI to make the main idea for the cover. Once I was happy with it, I sent it to a friend and asked him to basically do it right. It was much better than verbally explaining my idea. He won't loose time and I'll be happier with the result being closer to what I had in mind.

See, that actually helps an artist, sort of like a mix reference for an audio engineer. As long as they’re not just doing a few PS touchups it makes sense. Like if you used to make a drum riff to SHOW a real drummer what your idea is, that makes sense if you can’t explain it or program it yourself.

 

[paisleywookiee]

See, that actually helps an artist, sort of like a mix reference for an audio engineer. As long as they’re not just doing a few PS touchups it makes sense. Like if you used to make a drum riff to SHOW a real drummer what your idea is, that makes sense if you can’t explain it or program it yourself.

I'd be happy if everything leaned more towards tool, than "replacement". Sketchpad, vs. final draft.

 

[Piing]

As a long time user of Band in a Box, since it was a MS-DOS MIDI chords sequencer, (now it has what they call "Real Tracks"; audio recordings of
different styles made by professional musicians following your chosen chords sequence), I would really love that it had advanced AI capabilities. Currently it only has stem splitting, audio to midi, and a stupid lyrics generator.

Something like: Make the drums like Phill Collins on "Fifth of Firth", the keyboards like Rick Wright on "Shine on your crazy Diamond", and the Bass a mixture of Geddy Lee on "La Villa Strangiato" and Chris Squire in "Roundabout". Give it a tragic melancholic mood that progressively builds to devastating climax and chaotic tension with a cathartic finale, like "Starless" by King Crimson.

PG Music - Band-in-a-Box for Windows - New RealTracks

www.pgmusic.com

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

I don’t think I’ve ever felt so split on something before; I use ChatGPT nonstop now at work and I’m essentially using it to provide the training I never actually got for a Chief Engineer position. The other side of me, when it’s being used for creative endeavors, can’t stop dry heaving thinking about it.

I relate.
On one hand I’m gleefully happy about the handwringing over jobless.
No not because I’m some cunt that gets his kicks that way.
But the guys that are affected first is guys that compose jingles etc.
and the reality is that once it took a composer, arranger and musicians.
Now it’s one guy doing it that frets over a machine taking over his gig.

They deserve.

The handwringing about musicians being obsolete, not really. There will be a need for guys doing it live in person.
And again how is it different the the modern day internet guitar hero spending more time editing than playing and then mime on video.

It’s the logical progression human nature is to fault.

I mean the devaluation of music started long before file sharing or streaming.
It started with guys with day jobs insisting on their “right” to gig and under bitting union musicians.

So I have really no issue with AI. But with people.
Soo let it burn.

But I’ll be damned if I’m just bitching about it instead of learning how I can use it to make tasks I don’t enjoy or unable to do.

Orchestral and choir sounds beat libraries any day. And it’ll only get better.
Singers, don’t use vocals unless I have to.
Not because I don’t like vocals, I don’t like singers.

Which brings me to my actual point.
Art, or creative use? In music I see folks abuse that term.
It’s craft at best.

The human element? Oh please guys that scream the loudest are the first to do a gazillion takes and then edit those to death.

IK just released a plug that replaces vocals with a session singer so it uses the performance with great tones. I think that is where AI comes in handy.

EQ plugs that fix resonances between tracks, hell it’s faster than me using my ears and those actually work still reasonably well for an old bastard.

So yeah I’m cool with AI, I’m not cool with people.

 

[DrewJD82]

That is interesting because this link is what started me using AI for my singles/album artwork:

https://thegearforum.com/threads/well-i-know-how-ill-be-doing-my-album-artwork.1440/

Times change ;~))

Yeah, I definitely changed my opinion on that side of things the more I learned about it, how it's starting to be utilized and how it's trained. I can't remember the timeline of it all but when I stuck it through the lens of music and how I feel about that my stance on the artwork pretty much did a 180. Despite loving the results I was coming up with, it felt hypocritical to speak against it in the context of music while doing the exact same thing with it for artwork.

 

[DrewJD82]

I relate.
On one hand I’m gleefully happy about the handwringing over jobless.
No not because I’m some cunt that gets his kicks that way.
But the guys that are affected first is guys that compose jingles etc.
and the reality is that once it took a composer, arranger and musicians.
Now it’s one guy doing it that frets over a machine taking over his gig.

They deserve.

The handwringing about musicians being obsolete, not really. There will be a need for guys doing it live in person.
And again how is it different the the modern day internet guitar hero spending more time editing than playing and then mime on video.

It’s the logical progression human nature is to fault.

I mean the devaluation of music started long before file sharing or streaming.
It started with guys with day jobs insisting on their “right” to gig and under bitting union musicians.

So I have really no issue with AI. But with people.
Soo let it burn.

But I’ll be damned if I’m just bitching about it instead of learning how I can use it to make tasks I don’t enjoy or unable to do.

Orchestral and choir sounds beat libraries any day. And it’ll only get better.
Singers, don’t use vocals unless I have to.
Not because I don’t like vocals, I don’t like singers.

Which brings me to my actual point.
Art, or creative use? In music I see folks abuse that term.
It’s craft at best.

The human element? Oh please guys that scream the loudest are the first to do a gazillion takes and then edit those to death.

IK just released a plug that replaces vocals with a session singer so it uses the performance with great tones. I think that is where AI comes in handy.

EQ plugs that fix resonances between tracks, hell it’s faster than me using my ears and those actually work still reasonably well for an old bastard.

So yeah I’m cool with AI, I’m not cool with people.

I've got no argument for any of that in the same way I don't argue with people that do a zillion takes and edit them, or even edit at all just because I don't do any of that, unless we're talking drum MIDI's. I have an opinion on it, but I'm definitely not about to waste time arguing any of it with those who work in that fashion.

Guitar/bass/vocals I actually enjoy going for a million takes if I have to, because if I need more than 3 than there's some challenge in there I'm going to tackle and that sense of accomplishment still gives me as much joy today as it did when I was teenager, sometimes more so, having a better grasp of the big picture as an adult. I'm extremely grateful I even have the motivation to put in that effort.

I'd also argue there's a bit of a difference between a professional musician like you utilizing it to keep food on the table and a little shithead who just doesn't want to put in the time and writes "Slipknot but Dua Lipa Beat and Billie Eilish singing" into a prompt while telling musicians they're entitled for not finding any merit in it.

I'm under no illusion it'll be stopped, at the very most it'll be limited to those with the most money, but that doesn't make me any more interested in utilizing it in creative efforts.

 

[Los-D]

I’ll see myself out

 

[la szum]

When I was in College I had to read Henry David Thoreau's book Walden and Civil Disobedience
for a class. In Walden Hank goes off the rails about trains, and how they will be the demise of
humans, of walking, of discourse.




Throeau was so caught up in an extreme about trains and railroads, and assumed bi-pedalism
and horses would vanish completely, and that didn't allow him to see the things that trains and railroads
would undo, and what they would not touch at all. I mention that because I wonder if the AI conversation
is similar. When we become fixated on the most extreme scenarios, then maybe we end up missing out
on the super realistic and plausible scenarios and outcomes. The ones already happening. Like the assault
on the cubicles and IT/White Collar sectors of the workforce. It's going to be a bloodbath, by all accounts.

I also wonder why we are not all getting a royalty on the theft of data and intelligence that has
been co-opted by the AI/Tech Bros whose only source of data and information came from you
know where? Yup. From us. Each and everyone of us. They didn't invent or create the data. They took it.

(And we all tapped the "Accept Agreement" icon that allowed for the theft in the first place)



Then again, the theft, plunder, and pillaging of the Many to serve and sanctify the One is a Story as old as the Pyramids.

.... as old as the Monarchy.... and the Papacy.




(Apologies to Henry if I took his statements out of context. It's been a minute. )

 

[paisleywookiee]

I also wonder why we are not all getting a royalty on the theft of data and intelligence that has
been co-opted by the AI/Tech Bros whose only source of data and information came from you
know where? Yup. From us. Each and everyone of us. They didn't invent or create the data. They took it.

Because whether you like AI or not, every one of those fuckers are absolute sociopaths, except maybe the Anthropic guy. Hell, Fuckerberg has to be coached on how to act human.