Strymon BigSky MX
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TheTrueZoltan!
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Pretty sure you‘d get a really nice slapback echo under that bridge. Just sayin‘
woody
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If you make soundscape-y music built around sampled IRs like Sascha's examples, it's pretty impossible to put it on stage without IR capable reverb pedals.
Put this in the hands of, say, Radiohead and see how they run.
It's total overkill for a bit of spring and a dash of plate.
But then, there are folks out there who build their rig for maximum price tag. Which is fine, too.
woody
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I'd think that restricting platforms is keeping costs down, too.
I don't see them going with differing hardware for their flagship pedal line.
Boudoir Guitar
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Anybody with a TMP should be able to make an IR of the TMP spring reverb and put it in the strymonSo that guy who said he has the TMP spring reverb IR, can theoretically put it in this strymon??
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True, but it's also possible that there's a drop-in, cheaper and less powerful version of the same processor so the development cost is low.
The Mobius is probably the least popular of the "Stryfecta" so making it more affordable might be a good idea.
They could potentially also use a cheaper processor for the Timeline MX because reverb tends to be the most demanding effect, and there's no need to have IR capability with delays.
With the price of the BigSky MX being so high, even just say 50-100 euros less is going to be a big deal.
Boudoir Guitar
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Although I am loath to encourage forum-designing products that don't exist yet in a new-product-launch thread, I just wanted to note that this statement seems to me to suggest that unless the parts savings could beYUGE on the Mobius, that they probably won't be able to have its price be cheaper.
Also, the intro video put out by Strymon seems to make it clear that a lot of the driving force behind the BigSky MX was that -- more processing power that is available in newer chips allowed them to make new, smoother reverb algorithms that weren't possible before. Given that and Strymon's general MO, I'm not really seeing what the driver would be for releasing a Mobius MX unless they are generally getting to a parts availability issue there.
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Sascha Franck
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Here's a pretty quick example. Recorded and layered an A5 powerchord (with the help of some strings) and used it as an IR, then noodled around in A major.
laxu
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That's why I suggested a more conservative price difference. I don't think many would pay 749 € for a modulation pedal, but might stretch to say 649 € because it's Strymon. The GFI Synesthesia at 499 € already does the dual modulation thing with a vast featureset but there's very few contenders in that category that are not straight up multifx boxes like a HX Effects/Stomp or Boss GT-1000 Core.
The Analog Devices ADSP-21375 processor (266 MHz, 0.5 Mbits SRAM) is used in their V1 pedals, Riverside, Sunset and Volante. Not sure of the Nightsky, couldn't find any specs and can't be bothered to crack open my own.
The old BigSky uses the ADSP-21369, which is 400 MHz, 2 Mbits SRAM so much more capable.
Both processors are shown as still being in production though, but it's possible that the supply for them is not good enough to fill the demand for all of their pedal range.
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Yeah I’m with you here. I think the “Real Spaces” side of the deck sounded great (Would love just that in pedal format) but at $679 I almost feel like buying it is working against your own self interests in the crazy pedal price game. (What is this a one man crusade?
) I was ready to auto-buy at the normal price of $479, but $700 is moving into stupid territory, even for me.Kinda sad because now we know what the new Timeline will cost.
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Unfortunately it's highly likely any future top tier modelers and digital pedals will also be pretty pricy. Everything is expensive nowadays.Yeah I’m with you here. I think the “Real Spaces” side of the deck sounded great (Would love just that in pedal format) but at $679 I almost feel like buying it is working against your own self interests in the crazy pedal price game. (What is this a one man crusade?
Kinda sad because now we know what the new Timeline will cost.
The MX is priced to go against the Meris Mercury X, Chase Bliss CXM, Eventide H9/H90 etc. I guess Strymon's idea is that if you have less money to spend, you buy a Flint V2, Blue Sky V2, Cloudburst or Nightsky. Or just the old Big Sky.
As good as the BigSky MX sounds, it solves very few issues of the old one. It's just as big, and adjusting is only a bit easier. I don't think "having two reverbs at once" was on most people's wish list.
I wish they had aimed for a form factor closer to the Eventide H90, which is maybe 1/4 narrower. The Nightsky/Volante are already a bit of a pain in the ass for pedalboard layouts.
I also don't get why they went with regular pots here instead of infinite encoders. Encoders without notches would be perfect because you don't need any back/forth to adjust the preset value, just turn a knob and watch the screen.
PS. Nixie 2.1.0 supports the BigSky MX for editing.
PPS. Bigsky MX is already in Pedalplayground if people want to start building around it.
Boudoir Guitar
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I imagine Strymon is at a point where there biggest competition for any V2 pedal is...used V1 pedals. There are just SO.MANY of V1s in great shape available anytime, from anywhere you might want to consider buying used gear.
With the smaller pedals it wasn't so hard -- add MIDI and you've already got a sufficiently compelling reason to buy a new V2 rather than a used V1.
On the bigger stuff -- those things were already jam packed, so really going to need to up the capability to make them compelling vs. a used V1 pedal. Which is gonna make them expensive. I think this does it pretty easily -- dual reverb + new algorithms + IR loading is all, pretty darn compelling. At a minimum, there are a loooooot of folks that will gladly fork over $400 + their current Big Sky to get the new box.
With the smaller pedals it wasn't so hard -- add MIDI and you've already got a sufficiently compelling reason to buy a new V2 rather than a used V1.
On the bigger stuff -- those things were already jam packed, so really going to need to up the capability to make them compelling vs. a used V1 pedal. Which is gonna make them expensive. I think this does it pretty easily -- dual reverb + new algorithms + IR loading is all, pretty darn compelling. At a minimum, there are a loooooot of folks that will gladly fork over $400 + their current Big Sky to get the new box.
