Stereo

[ejecta]

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND I did it. What a dumb thing to subject myself to

To quote DrX from Operation Mind Crime… “You can’t walk away now. Ha ha ha…”

 

[JiveTurkey]

To quote DrX from Operation Mind Crime… “You can’t walk away now. Ha ha ha…”

I'll be hearing this live here in a few weeks

 

[KingsXJJ]

Stereo is fantastic. Gotta manage that phase live just as someone mentioned.

I have everything ready for a W/D/W experiment once I’m physically capable.

 

[Count_Drugula]

You don’t, that’s why I’m looking for a cheap SS combo to lug around to get that fix when I’m not at home.

 

[KingsXJJ]

You don’t, that’s why I’m looking for a cheap SS combo to lug around to get that fix when I’m not at home.

@Count_Drugula needs a fix? Sounds apropos.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

I like stereo in the studio, but it can be problematic live, so my live rig is mono. But at home or in the studio, it is great, specially with delays.

 

[ejecta]

I like stereo in the studio, but it can be problematic live, so my live rig is mono. But at home or in the studio, it is great, specially with delays.

Yeah no way I’d gig stereo either.

 

[Count_Drugula]

I like stereo in the studio, but it can be problematic live, so my live rig is mono. But at home or in the studio, it is great, specially with delays.

Same, I only want a cheap amp for stereo when rehearsing or jamming with friends. I've tried it live and it's too much fockery and it can get lost in the sauce.

 

[GuitarBilly74]

Same, I only want a cheap amp for stereo when rehearsing or jamming with friends. I've tried it live and it's too much fockery and it can get lost in the sauce.

yeah it's not only that, but stereo needs proper placement. Meaning, you have to be in the center and have sound coming from the left and right to get the correct stereo picture.
On a live show, you will have some people in the middle but you will also have people that are in front of stage right or stage left and are getting most of the sound out of one side of the PA and a stereo sound can get very weird in these situations.
For example, let's say you have a stereo delay that is 350ms on the right and 700ms on the left. The people right in front of the right side of the PA are hearing nothing but a short slapback and the people on the left are getting hit with a long delay with no connection to the main sound. So that kind of stuff gets weird. It's better to have a mono source and let the soundguy put them on both sides equally.

Stereo is great for things that can be listened to with headphones or at least with you properly placed around speakers, like a car or a living room. In a huge hall with people on all 4 corners, it doesn't really work that well.

 

[Count_Drugula]

yeah it's not only that, but stereo needs proper placement. Meaning, you have to be in the center and have sound coming from the left and right to get the correct stereo picture.
On a live show, you will have some people in the middle but you will also have people that are in front of stage right or stage left and are getting most of the sound out of one side of the PA and a stereo sound can get very weird in these situations.
For example, let's say you have a stereo delay that is 350ms on the right and 700ms on the left. The people right in front of the right side of the PA are hearing nothing but a short slapback and the people on the left are getting hit with a long delay with no connection to the main sound. So that kind of stuff gets weird. It's better to have a mono source and let the soundguy put them on both sides equally.

Stereo is great for things that can be listened to with headphones or at least with you properly placed around speakers, like a car or a living room. In a huge hall with people on all 4 corners, it doesn't really work that well.

Yep. We used to regularly play a large outdoor stage so I decided to bring my 4x12 + 2x12 to run stereo one time. I set the 4x12 behind me like always and the 2x12 on the other side of the drum riser near the bassist so he can hear me better. I didn't understand much about routing stereo pedals then and I realized that all of my reverbs and half of the the delay repeats were going to the bassists side and I got stuck playing completely dry, which I loathe, especially outside. The delays I did hear felt very weird and disconnected like you mentioned. Didn't do that one again.
Now I make sure I run my delay and reverb with stereo ins and outs and I sit in the middle of the 2 cabs. My studio is set up to run stereo and it sounds massive. Live, I just go mono, I already have too many things to bring because I still use real amps.

 

[laxu]

• BluGuitar Amp 1 Iridium Classic channel -> Bluetone 4x10 w/ 10" Greenbacks
• Mesa Mark V 90 ch3 -> 1x12 MC90

equals

Just a massive, massive sound, that has it all: gain, saturation, tightness, oomph, clarity.

 

[deadpool_25]

Stereo is delicious. WDW is even more so. Here's one WDW setup I had. That was super fun. I was using the powerstage 700 for the wet cabs and one of the two heads for the main signal. The Musicom Parallelizer (parallel mixer) was suuuuper nice in this setup allowing me to run all the wet effects in parallel kinda like an old rack rig.

I setup a WDW rig using the FM9 and three good FRFRs and that was also incredibly inspiring. And a LOT less work to setup. Not that I was setting these up outside the house. I wouldn't even try to take those setups to a gig as it seems way overkill/impractical.

 

[CorrosiveMatter]

I setup a WDW rig using the FM9 and three good FRFRs and that was also incredibly inspiring. And a LOT less work to setup. Not that I was setting these up outside the house. I wouldn't even try to take those setups to a gig as it seems way overkill/impractical.

Yes, my favorite toy is FM9 or Helix into 2 of the PXM's for wet/stereo and a Gemini2 not in stereo for the dry middle, your solution is easier to ballance the volume but it's not too hard to just tune the Gemini2 to match.

Your rug though.... I need one now.

 

[deadpool_25]

Your rug though.... I need one now.

I LOVE that rug. I bought one locally and then when I wanted a new one it was a struggle to find it. I finally found a place online that had some, although they didn't have the size I wanted. That was fine, I got one smaller size and it worked out great. I'll have to try to find where I got it from and post a link.

Edit: The most awesome rug ever.

 

[laxu]

Adventures in stereo continue.

• BluGuitar Amp 1 Iridium clean channel -> Bluetone 4x10
• Mesa Mark V ch1 Fat -> 1x12 MC90
• Yamaha SA-1200S (think ES-335) -> Strymon Deco V2 -> both amps' input

Turning on the Wide Stereo mode for the Deco doubletracker was a revelation. That really made it sound pretty glorious and the Blend knob becomes a pan control as long as both Deco outputs are connected. When the Doubletracker side is off, it just splits the output to both amps like normal.

I probably spent an hour just playing this setup with some overdrive from the Deco Saturation side and switching between flanger/chorusy type thing or a slapback delay.

For clean to light crunch blues/classic rock tones, this sounded amazing. Pretty cool that you could do so much with just one pedal.

The Deco is one of those pedals where it can be something you don't even notice until you turn it off and everything sounds "lesser".