So let's have this CAGED conversation...

[Ed DeGenaro]

But that leaves you stringing lines together and not improvising either even if it sounds like you are

And for every guy that claims otherwise I show you a liar.
Think about how use language. It’s not like yogujjb hu fetch did ggfcss gig gggiuyrr

I transcribed a metric buttload of shit and the channelling the define is such bullshit it might as well be a Düsenberg. Lol

 

[Eagle]

And for every guy that claims otherwise I show you a liar.
Think about how use language. It’s not like yogujjb hu fetch did ggfcss gig gggiuyrr

I transcribed a metric buttload of shit and the channelling the define is such bullshit it might as well be a Düsenberg. Lol

So true.

 

[ctreitzell]

I was in music theory class in HS when I started playing guitar.
Thus I learned scales on piano keyboard first because learning all scales maj/min-harm-mel over two octaves with both right and left hands was a requirement to perform. Sight reading to tempo was not a requirement. We spent plenty of time writing notation, mainly with a harmony focus.

Let me also add, I went to Plano Senior High School (west) which had a graduating class of 5000 students. This school is 2 years; Junior and Senior years. That means 10K students. After those that dropped out of the initial 20 students in my class, there were 16 students in my class. I don't mean to brag here, just to say that for those that chose to learn music theory we were a huge minority. And I have seen that similar minority in general population over the past 40 years.

Initially I had the typical Mary Had A Little Lamb intro to guitar. Then a friend showed me the intro to Bastille Day by Rush and I was hooked. A short time later, I started by learning songs from records on guitar by ear. I always felt more comfortable playing guitar, but visualizing music on the piano keyboard as I still do now today.

That said, for my viewpoint I have never been and never intend to be a covers player; original songs and improv has been my wheelhouse. I find live improv my preferred form of music. I do not consider improvising over known pop/ standard songs or progressions as improv, per se; for me improv is on-the-spot composition. All that said, I quit playing live many years ago

As far as 3NPS, I have no idea what that is...I go look it up.

 

[ctreitzell]

ah, OK
sure, 3NPS is the basis of my approach as well, but sliding oct intervals or more is certainly part of my technique as well

yeah, I more lean on 3NPS patterns than "know" the notes I'm playing
follow my mind's ear and create on the spot

and I certainly lean on plenty of chromatics to keep out of the vanilla rut living full time in a key

that said, G major is home for me...so I often work at breaking out of G and exploring the entire fretboard

 

[ctreitzell]

Like I said, I learned scales and (and thus key sigs) on piano. I hadn't consciously considered that before. I brought that up with my brother and with my buddy who is a musical wonder (main instrument Bass) and they both learned scales on piano/ vibraphone first as well.

I wonder how many here have only ever approached music making using the guitar? Fodder for another thread

 

[Eagle]

Like I said, I learned scales and (and thus key sigs) on piano. I hadn't consciously considered that before. I brought that up with my brother and with my buddy who is a musical wonder (main instrument Bass) and they both learned scales on piano/ vibraphone first as well.

I wonder how many here have only ever approached music making using the guitar? Fodder for another thread

Me.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Me.

Well I started with sight singing in second grade and hated it as much as cello i started at 6 thanks to my violin playing musician father.
Along the way I dabbled with piano.

But I literally transferred everything to and from guitar. Over the past 55 years of playing.

But I do also play bass, lap steel, uke etc and am proficient enough arranging on piano. But as I said that came from the time spent learning shit in guitar and transferring it back to the source.

 

[ctreitzell]

proficient enough arranging on piano.

indeed, If I'm arranging, it's on piano keyboard (piano roll)
and much less often notation

guitar is much more comfortable for me; touching the strings
I prefer my hands vertical and turned into my body as opposed to horizontal and pointing away

and my goodness do I not think of notes very much when playing guitar
I just go and follow minds ear and plenty of riffy patterns

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

indeed, If I'm arranging, it's on piano keyboard (piano roll)
and much less often notation

guitar is much more comfortable for me; touching the strings
I prefer my hands vertical and turned into my body as opposed to horizontal and pointing away

and my goodness do I not think of notes very much when playing guitar
I just go and follow minds ear and plenty of riffy patterns

Thinking about notes, I wouldn’t know why.
I mean the tune I recorded before last and it had this repeating change in the solo that was vamping C△7♭5 D-9

Now I’m sure I can figure out a theoretical pool of notes that work over both chords (and I’m pretty ok in that dept.) but in the time it takes me to think this through I recorded the solo.

 

[ctreitzell]

Thinking about notes, I wouldn’t know why.
I mean the tune I recorded before last and it had this repeating change in the solo that was vamping C△7♭5 D-9

Now I’m sure I can figure out a theoretical pool of notes that work over both chords (and I’m pretty ok in that dept.) but in the time it takes me to think this through I recorded the solo.

mind's ear! :-)