School me on the Celestion Creamback Speaker(s)

saarangnarayan said:
I looked up some comparison videos online and it seems the Neo is a bit scooped and sounds like a very different speaker than the H75 and M65. The mids on the H75 and M65 really complement a V30 well IMO whereas the NeoCB seems to be bringing in some fizzle and boom and not much else. The other two fill out the mids that a V30 doesn’t have in a very satisfying way!
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Sitting in front of the Neo and the M65 I don't hear that. They sound almost identical except the Neo is a little tighter/stiffer.
 
I have a 65 I've transplanted into a couple different combo amps. It's sitting in a Katana 100.2 and has been gigged a few times. I like it.

I also have a 2x12 with Greenbacks. In comparison I'd say the Creamback is more polite especially in the top end but comparing a 1x12 to a 2x12 isn't so straightforward
 
The sum of my experience with Creambacks is my Rivera Thirty Twelve combo. I have never been completely happy with a combo amp before. To me, they're always a major compromise. But this amp with this 65 watt Creamback is so good. It sounds so thick, middy, and creamy. In my experience, combos are usually mid heavy, but the mids always sound boxy and strident. I'm not sure how mush is the amp, and how much is the speaker, but I'd be interested to try this speaker with other combo amps to see what it does.
 
Night Stalker said:
The sum of my experience with Creambacks is my Rivera Thirty Twelve combo. I have never been completely happy with a combo amp before. To me, they're always a major compromise. But this amp with this 65 watt Creamback is so good. It sounds so thick, middy, and creamy. In my experience, combos are usually mid heavy, but the mids always sound boxy and strident. I'm not sure how mush is the amp, and how much is the speaker, but I'd be interested to try this speaker with other combo amps to see what it does.
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What kind of tones do you use it for?
 
HomespunEffects said:
I’m not sure that i like the Creambacks.
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If you decide to get rid of them, let me know how much you want for them, I have a cab I would like to put Creambacks in. Right now it's a 412 with G12T-75's but I want to put 2 creambacks in with 2 of the G12T's.
 
Byrdman said:
If you decide to get rid of them, let me know how much you want for them, I have a cab I would like to put Creambacks in. Right now it's a 412 with G12T-75's but I want to put 2 creambacks in with 2 of the G12T's.
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Where are you located. I’ll get a shipping price.
 
saarangnarayan said:
Okay so I've heard multiple folks say this that as you mature, you realise that a Creamback is the way to go instead of Greenbacks or V30s. While I am not really giving up on the V30 anytime soon, I have begun to realise Creambacks are maybe more my jam than Greenbacks. I have only ever tried the Creambacks in the IR world, so I have no real-world experience to back this up, but I do think the Creamback fills in some of the frequencies that are (at least to my ears) missing in a Greenback. Buuuuut, I also realise that there are multiple kinds of Creambacks, both rating-wise (55 vs. 65 vs. 75, I think?) and also H and M magnets, and also a Neodymium version. I'd love to hear from more experienced folks about which version excels at what and basically what you like (or dislike!) about Creambacks.

P.S. The IRs I've tried are the Mega Cream in ML Sound Lab's MIKKO, ML Sound Lab's Zilla Cab Pack that has the H75 Creambacks, and York Audio's M65 Creamback pack. They all sound different to me, but they all sound great.
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i stripped all of the speakers out of an old beat-up basket-weave cab that Joe Perry used to own & one of those speakers was a G12H30. i love that speaker and ran it in a bluesbreaker combo as a 1x12 for years.. i built a 1x12 5f6a bassman and due to power handling capabilities i purchased a G12H75 creamback. i like it.. a lot. i definitely have a penchant for the H magnets it seems.. it is my only creamback experience.
 
I have H75 Creambacks, M65 Creambacks, M25 Greenbacks (new UK ones), and Heritage H30 55Hz Greenbacks. All in rear-loaded Bogner 4x12s. The only one I was instantly dissatisfied with was the M65 Creamback. Just super sloppy, loose, round, low end. Sounded very weak and loose. Instant no thank you.

I've had H75s for about 10 years and love them. Tight, authoritative, musical. Highs are a bit extended and can be overly bright if you're not careful. But it's manageable.

New UK M25 Greenies are great. A little darker and with more bark than Chinese varieties. I compared them side-by-side with older '70s G12M-25 Creambacks and they are similar. The older speakers are smoother and have more snarl. The new UK ones bark more and have a bit more honk, almost like a V30 in a way, but with the classic Greenback vibe.

Heritage H30 55Hz are interesting. Kind of like a cross between the M25 and H75. Hard to put my finger on it. They have a lot of growl, more than the other speakers. But more top end. They are still brand new, need to put some hours on them.
 
BTW, anyone mix the 65 or 75 creambacks with G12T-75's? If so, which one did you like better?

I have 2x 212's with G12t-75's in one and thinking of making the other with Creambacks.
 
I love Creambacks, they sound great for just about everything, whereas the V30 and Greenback are more specialized IMO. That said, I like G12-65s (non-Creambacks), even more. The WGS ET65 and the Weber 1265 are killer clones, as well!
 
The CB-75’s were a bit too bright for me while the CB-65’s were my preference on the high end.

I’d love to see a hybrid with the 75 low end and 65 top.
 
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