Quad Cortex Mini

[Lysander]

You're going to have to be a bit more specific. Too nebulous a question for me to be able to answer.

Do you sell hardware on promises you have no roadmap to deliver on? If the answer is "no", you're a step above NDSP and the QC.

 

[SeeD]

They said to much in the start.... but..it was the first NDSP HW product. And maybe they needed to `sell it`

It`s now in a good place! Some might say it`s the best, easy to use, sounds good, captures and amp models, it`s just good!

 

[DrewJD82]

You're going to have to be a bit more specific. Too nebulous a question for me to be able to answer.

This is the part that continues to blow my fucking mind, the second that QCM was launched it was like everyone’s memory of the 4.5 year launch of the QC where it was released half finished and took that entire 4.5 years to reach the state it’s currently in, where your own list of Cons and Bad is currently longer than the Good, which you came to after purchasing your 3rd unit.

You yourself got rid of your first 2 QC’s for not being up to par and now you’re asking me “What do ya mean?”as if the product you have in your hands now is the same thing they launched on day one and it didn’t take nearly 5 years to get there.

It’s one thing to not have a problem with any of the shit they pulled, but to act like none of it happened, I just don’t understand who that’s supposed to benefit. Certainly not customers.

 

[dean701]

This is the part that continues to blow my fucking mind, the second that QCM was launched it was like everyone’s memory of the 4.5 year launch of the QC where it was released half finished and took that entire 4.5 years to reach the state it’s currently in, where your own list of Cons and Bad is currently longer than the Good, which you came to after purchasing your 3rd unit.

You yourself got rid of your first 2 QC’s for not being up to par and now you’re asking me “What do ya mean?”as if the product you have in your hands now is the same thing they launched on day one and it didn’t take nearly 5 years to get there.

It’s one thing to not have a problem with any of the shit they pulled, but to act like none of it happened, I just don’t understand who that’s supposed to benefit. Certainly not customers.

speaking for myself.
I do feel that I got burned the first time around, but after hearing about v2 capture advancements/effects improvements and with hopes that they improved on hardware development 5 years later, I'm giving them another shot. I'm wiping the slate clean (for now)

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] I just don’t understand who that’s supposed to benefit. Certainly not customers.

As a customer, I get to benefit from all the fun I have when using my QCM.

But seriously, nobody has forgotten the mess that NDSP created in the early years of the QC. However, following the release of some truly significant updates and the launch of the QCM, it was time for me to reassess the situation. I’ve now had my QCM for a while and can honestly say that no other modeler before it has given me so much enjoyment.

 

[DrewJD82]

As a customer, I get to benefit from all the fun I have when using my QCM.

But seriously, nobody has forgotten the mess that NDSP created in the early years of the QC. However, following the release of some truly significant updates and the launch of the QCM, it was time for me to reassess the situation. I’ve now had my QCM for a while and can honestly say that no other modeler before it has given me so much enjoyment.

Orvie is having memory lapses.

Again, the QC and QCM are in great states. My sentiments are purely aimed at NDSP as a company, not their product.

 

[Orvillain]

This is the part that continues to blow my fucking mind, the second that QCM was launched it was like everyone’s memory of the 4.5 year launch of the QC where it was released half finished and took that entire 4.5 years to reach the state it’s currently in, where your own list of Cons and Bad is currently longer than the Good, which you came to after purchasing your 3rd unit.

QCM has nothing to do with my perspective. Don't know where you got that.

I'm not exactly sure what your point is, genuinely. Products time to evolve and develop. Axe FX 2 wasn't perfect on launch. The FM3 was fairly fucked on launch as I recall, with a whole slew of them having a completely unusable headphone function. They blew those out on the cheap to people who didn't care about that functionality. Helix Floor was missing a lot of stuff on launch. So was Kemper. Stadium doesn't have everything it needs either.

So how is Neural and how they launched the QC any different really?

You yourself got rid of your first 2 QC’s for not being up to par and now you’re asking me “What do ya mean?”as if the product you have in your hands now is the same thing they launched on day one and it didn’t take nearly 5 years to get there.

This week I compared - AxeIII/Boss GT1000/Kemper/Helix Floor

At present I own all four of these modellers. I did have a Quad Cortex previously, but I sold that to fund the Axe III. I still have solid memories of that device though, so I will opine somewhat on that. I'll start with the Boss because that is the easiest - I don't really know why the amp...

forum.fractalaudio.com

I wrote up there exactly what I thought of the QC. And no, when I ask you for specifics, that is exactly what I'm asking for. I didn't say "what do ya mean?" coz only Camoosedians use "ya" in a sentence anyway. But also, the distinction matters. I'm not seeing anything specific in this rant bro-man-dude-sir.

It’s one thing to not have a problem with any of the shit they pulled, but to act like none of it happened, I just don’t understand who that’s supposed to benefit. Certainly not customers.

Ok so I ask you again, what shit did they pull? Specifics, again. Please. I'm not acting like none of it happened. I'm acting like a person who wants you to justify the crazy shit you're saying.

From my memory:
- They advertised a bunch of features to get people to pre-order. I already said I didn't like the pre-order approach.
- They took ages to deliver those features, but their cadence today is actually pretty good. It took them a while to get to where they needed to be when they launched, but is this really worth all the hateboner stuff? You whinge more about NDSP than you do TGP, who in my estimation are far bigger arseholes.
- They designed their power supply and grounding system in a pretty poor manner. I already said that was a bad thing too.
- They advertised plugin compatibility with no real knowledge of how they'd do it. Now I must stress, and this really is where my developer background comes in - companies do this all the time, always have, always will. It really isn't unique to Neural. Line6 have done it. Fractal have done it. Boss have done it. Pretty much every music tech company I can think of has done it, on some level.
I understand not vibing with their marketing. I don't either. To this day I still cringe at the archetype concept even. But it is what it is. Guitarists respond to this stuff, so blame them ultimately. I even understand not vibing with their early secrecy and lack of transparency. Absolutely right to be annoyed at.

But acting like a jilted lover 5 years later, when the product is actually in a really good spot, and goes toe-to-toe with any other unit on the market? Seems weird to me is all. Like a stubborn refusal to grow.

And pulling the "uhhhhh Orvie has done an about turn! What a knob head!" card .... I dunno man... I was pretty visceral about Neural in those early days, even though I was on the beta team for a while. But I've changed my tune simply because the product has changed, and the landscape has changed. I'm not going to hold on to vinegar grapes; life is too short for that. IMHO.

 

[Orvillain]

Like, ultimately.... current opinions are not invalid because of past issues. That's where I draw the line really. If my wife accidentally kicks me in the bollocks during a game of Twister whilst snorting snakebites off the floor.. that's not gonna really change how much I love her when she hands me a big juicy steak.

Is that a good metaphor? I don't know anymore.