Quad Cortex Mini
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DISTORT6
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I just got a QC and I am not missing those plugins.So if someone buys a QC they don't own any plugins then then have to purchase the PCOM X Versions, that kind of sucks for someone spending big bucks on a unit like the QC
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Meaning they are included or you don't need them hence not missing them?
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As in don't need.
The plugins should NOT be looked at as necessity at all! They’re like paid DLC imo, if you like it, you’re free to get it but the base game is all there.
As for IIC+ vs Petrucci:
IIC+ is a faithful model of a IIC+ amp, licensed by Mesa. It isn’t an archetype, it’s not voiced a certain way. Petrucci is PETRUCCI’S IIC+ (I don’t think they used the JP2C but if they did it was likely the IIC+ mode anyway). The whole plugin is like if you want Dream Theater in a box. There are overlaps between these two as far as tones go, but they’re different things. Kind of like if they came with literally just the old 5150 block letter plugin, people could go “well isn’t that in Nolly?” (I would but that even though I have Nolly too)
As for IIC+ vs Petrucci:
IIC+ is a faithful model of a IIC+ amp, licensed by Mesa. It isn’t an archetype, it’s not voiced a certain way. Petrucci is PETRUCCI’S IIC+ (I don’t think they used the JP2C but if they did it was likely the IIC+ mode anyway). The whole plugin is like if you want Dream Theater in a box. There are overlaps between these two as far as tones go, but they’re different things. Kind of like if they came with literally just the old 5150 block letter plugin, people could go “well isn’t that in Nolly?” (I would but that even though I have Nolly too)
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I really want the Mesa plug-in for half-rational (at best) reasons. But people don’t seem to rave about that one as much as the others.
I bought Rabea, and then they gave away a better version of the only block I cared about (synth) before they even gave Rabea the X treatment. D’oh!
I bought Rabea, and then they gave away a better version of the only block I cared about (synth) before they even gave Rabea the X treatment. D’oh!
I like the IIC+ plugin right alongside Nameless as my favorite - mostly because it’s just “the amp” just as it’s supposed to be tweaked. Same 5 band EQ, push pull knobs etc.
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Never understood this argument. The plugins are separate to the QC. I’ve probably spent more on their plugins than what a QC costs and I don’t expect any HW for free. I’d pay money for a Fractal plugin, just as I spent extra money on Helix Native and Metallurgy to have plugin support.So if someone buys a QC they don't own any plugins then then have to purchase the PCOM X Versions, that kind of sucks for someone spending big bucks on a unit like the QC
If you buy the plugins they are primarily functioned to run outside of the QC. The fact they can run on there is just a bonus. They are different platforms for different uses. Expecting to get every single new plugin NDSP makes for eternity just for owning a piece of HW doesn’t make sense to me.
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I mean, Helix owners have to spend money to get a plugin that doesn’t expand their content in any way?So if someone buys a QC they don't own any plugins then then have to purchase the PCOM X Versions, that kind of sucks for someone spending big bucks on a unit like the QC
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that's half true, there was a time that when you bought the Helix, the plug in was a free addition. Then it went to $50.
I bought a Helix, got the plug-in, returned the Helix then bought a used Helix.
Part of the original email from 2021:
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Stone
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thats different its often time free or cheap to purchase if it is required, but over $200.00 CDN is a lot of coin for a suite, but thats ok i was just curious is all
But then the plugins are added content whereas Native is the same content.
You’d have to imagine a scenario where Line6 Metallurgy was original amp modeling (not pulled from Helix), and they spent a lot of time and labor to build a whole new thing just as a plugin. Then Helix owners go “man I would love that amp in Metallurgy in my Helix” and Line6 said “you got it! As long as you have a license to Metallurgy, you now have those amps in Helix”
^^ people would be happy. That’s what PCOM is
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Yes, I did an EQ Match test with FabFilter Pro-Q. No difference.
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I played with the QC Mini for a couple of hours more yesterday evening. Seriously, this thing is fun! NDSP have messed up a lot of things spectacularly in the past, but the QC Mini is a genuinely brilliant little device.
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Did you get to try the preset I sendt you?This preset is using one of MirrorProfiles' IRs and Zuul from Nameless. It's got a Diezel VHX capture that (imo) has beaten the shit out of any sound I've heard so far for my tastes - like
anyway https://cloud.neuraldsp.com/cloud/discover/preset/view/4069eb1b-be31-4058-9606-edaee397cfd9
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Sweet! Hope you like it. And try a few Fuzz captures on the cloud ,V2 that is.So, my QC Mini arrived this afternoon. I have to say, Neural did a really great job with the design. It looks very classy, and let me tell you...
I like the form factor and it suits my needs.
But seriously, I can't make a direct comparison now, but I think I can say with reasonable certainty that the Mini is significantly less noisy than the original QC. I sent that one back because I had a significantly lower noise level when playing the plugins on my Mac than with the same plugin components on the QC. So now I've just done a direct comparison between the Nolly X ‘Engage the Curse’ preset (without noise gate) on the QC Mini and as a plugin. The result: practically no difference, the noise level is almost identical.
Really happy with my purchase so far!
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I did, it sounds sick!
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I don't think it's a completely unreasonable argument - in fact, I've probably made the argument myself once or twice. But it seems less and less relevant as the QC platform gets more robust in its own right.
The MkIIc+ model is an excellent case study: promised as "SOON" after launch, never arrived. This leaves someone like me hoping for an X plugin of their Mesa suite because (according to NDSP's own roadmap) it's likely to arrive sooner. But this kind of feels like betting against my own best interests.
On the flipside, I bought the Rabea plugin for that synth because I figured, "They'll never give us the proverbial milk when they can sell us the cow instead." Effectively, I bet against myself. Naturally, the QC got an excellent, free synth block a couple of months later, and I lost that bet. Annoying, but also a very hopeful sign that QC will see more non-paywalled content despite the weird overlap with the plugins.
The Helix Native comparison is somewhat apples and oranges IMO. That's always been a full-fat, carbon copy of all the HX content for people who want to fly tones/presets from one environment to the other. (And it was/is an awesome deal.)
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