Quad Cortex Mini

[Dez]

Yes. It's €1.299 at Thomann Germany, hence $1.525,55. So things are even cheaper over there.

I won't pretend to even know a sliver of international business and shipping costs/"can't talk about the T word cuz people can't handle it" - but it makes no sense that it's cheaper to buy this in the US vs EU lol

 

[Sascha Franck]

but it makes no sense that it's cheaper to buy this in the US vs EU

Very defenitely not, regardless whether it's MIC or MIF (the latter being unlikely).

 

[Dez]

Very defenitely not, regardless whether it's MIC or MIF (the latter being unlikely).

Man, if I live 20 minutes north my state would be tax free for this purchase and it would have costed me like $1399 even. The tax I pay after $1399 is my local state tax.

 

[deadpool_25]

Some really like doing on-device editing, not necessarily during live playing. Some don't care. But I think the market has spoken and it seems clear that touchscreens are here to stay.

Didn’t Cliff say the next gen has a touchscreen?

 

[Elric]

Kinda funny to read this as someone who has a Neural product but is not a fanboy (it's my secondary device to an Axe 3). A lot of the criticism here strikes me almost as 'intentionally not getting it' because it is Neural, not because the product isn't good. I do agree that it has a *lot* of overlap with the main QC...

But all the DSP power and similar I/O in a super compact form factor and cheaper, what's not to like? Unless you want to drag out all of the things you don't like about Neural and the QC and use this as an opportunity to b*tch. If the QC is not for you neither is this thing. For new customers, I think it will be just right; for some others, will want the QC or a competing product.

 

[Melodioso]

I stand corrected! 300 EUR!

They don't want to step onto Nano territory, ok. But 999 EUR would have been a sweet spot.

I don't like the recent trend to have sensible price increase on these toys (e.g. Stadium XL). I fear tor the price tag of the AXE FX IV

 

[Dez]

Kinda funny to read this as someone who has a Neural product but is not a fanboy (it's my secondary device to an Axe 3). A lot of the criticism here strikes me almost as 'intentionally not getting it' because it is Neural, not because the product isn't good. I do agree that it has a *lot* of overlap with the main QC...

But all the DSP power and similar I/O in a super compact form factor and cheaper, what's not to like? Unless you want to drag out all of the things you don't like about Neural and the QC and use this as an opportunity to b*tch. If the QC is not for you neither is this thing. For new customers, I think it will be just right for some others; will want the QC or a competing product.

 

[deadpool_25]

I need to disagree here. A big part of the "full UI" of the OG QC is the amount of encoders. And 10 vs. 4 encoders makes up for quite a significant change in UI experience. IMO at least.

Okay, but a change isn’t necessarily bad. It may be bad in some cases and good in others. In this context I’d think 10 would be better for live use with the unit on the floor for changing scenes/presets. 4 might actually be better/easier while building presets (specifically talking the QC’s 10 vs the QCM’s 4).

 

[Orvillain]

Kinda funny to read this as someone who has a Neural product but is not a fanboy (it's my secondary device to an Axe 3). A lot of the criticism here strikes me almost as 'intentionally not getting it' because it is Neural, not because the product isn't good. I do agree that it has a *lot* of overlap with the main QC...

But all the DSP power and similar I/O in a super compact form factor and cheaper, what's not to like? Unless you want to drag out all of the things you don't like about Neural and the QC and use this as an opportunity to b*tch. If the QC is not for you neither is this thing. For new customers, I think it will be just right for some others; will want the QC or a competing product.

I do agree with this, sure, even as someone who has historically been a bit of a QC naysayer. But the last unit I owned, as a standalone unit for home recording, it performed really damn well tbh. And the loop is first class.

 

[Sascha Franck]

4 might actually be better/easier while building presets (specifically talking the QC’s 10 vs the QCM’s 4).

Seriously, I can't agree with that (ymm obviously v). If I want to, say, edit an amp, I really want my amp's gain, volume, BMT and possibly presence on one page. Same goes for drives. And well, in fact for pretty much anything.
If if was after me, each of these things would come with 16 encoders - ideally organized in a way that I could as well split them, so I could use, say, 8 to edit an amp and the other group to edit whatever it might be.

Now, I should possibly shut up as I'm using two setups as far away from that as possible - but then, that's actually why I'm still looking for a replacement (for at least one setup). And it's also why I can't await to check whether the non-XL Stadium might be for me.

 

[mbenigni]

Not me. I'm rather the greatest common divisor.

You are anything but common, Sascha.

 

[Chocol8]

I won't pretend to even know a sliver of international business and shipping costs/"can't talk about the T word cuz people can't handle it" - but it makes no sense that it's cheaper to buy this in the US vs EU lol

VAT and regulatory compliance costs.

 

[ejecta]

Me?, no, not at all. I'm not sure why you would say that. I'm a happy fractalite.

Not necessarily saying it’s the case here with Jive’s comment but IME any perceived negative comment at Fractal is at times parleyed into permission to label someone a Fractal hater by some of the fans of Fractal. Been done to me as well and I’m a person who thinks Fractal makes some good gear but not as great as some make it out to be. The latter is probably what set them off calling me a Fractal hater when I’m really not. It’s been a thing for a long time. Maybe here it’s more to do with PTSD from TOP.

 

[Whizzinby]

Kinda funny to read this as someone who has a Neural product but is not a fanboy (it's my secondary device to an Axe 3). A lot of the criticism here strikes me almost as 'intentionally not getting it' because it is Neural, not because the product isn't good. I do agree that it has a *lot* of overlap with the main QC...

But all the DSP power and similar I/O in a super compact form factor and cheaper, what's not to like? Unless you want to drag out all of the things you don't like about Neural and the QC and use this as an opportunity to b*tch. If the QC is not for you neither is this thing. For new customers, I think it will be just right; for some others, will want the QC or a competing product.

Yeah, honestly I think this is some form of the Goldilocks device you see people repeatedly talk about in the pursuit to shrink the footprint of everything. Big DSP, full featured, small footprint. Where they caught some off guard is that people typically associate a smaller device with a bunch of other compromises on power and features, because that’s normal playbook other companies use to develop to a price point. Neural took the other approach, a cool one imo, “How do we make a badass smaller version”.

Everyone would be over the moon if Line 6 had a Touch Stomp with full Helix power. Or an FM3 that’s half the size, with the FM9 horsepower.

Ultimately, historical brand trauma or not, Neural just keeps beating everyone to the punch with the cool shit.

IMO

 

[Chocol8]

Yeah, I am no NDSP fan by anymeans, but I don't get the bitching at all. It's everything in a QC, but smaller and cheaper with the loss of a few poo switches. As a desktop device or a device controlled by a midi switcher, it is better than the OG QC for less money. If you want more poo switches, buy the OG and the mini won't piss in your Cheerios.

 

[Orvillain]

Better footswitch spacing too.

 

[ejecta]

Better footswitch spacing too.

It’s one of the main reasons why I got rid of my QC.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Yeah, honestly I think this is some form of the Goldilocks device you see people repeatedly talk about in the pursuit to shrink the footprint of everything. Big DSP, full featured, small footprint. Where they caught some off guard is that people typically associate a smaller device with a bunch of other compromises on power and features, because that’s normal playbook other companies use to develop to a price point. Neural took the other approach, a cool one imo, “How do we make a badass smaller version”.

Everyone would be over the moon if Line 6 had a Touch Stomp with full Helix power. Or an FM3 that’s half the size, with the FM9 horsepower.

Ultimately, historical brand trauma or not, Neural just keeps beating everyone to the punch with the cool shit.

IMO

I’m pretty sure if those other brands had such the same product at that close of the price point there would be the exact same amount of bitching.

 

[Whizzinby]

I’m pretty sure if those other brands had such the same product at that close of the price point there would be the exact same amount of bitching.

Probably, it’s easy to underestimate us.

Why we, the consumer, would give a shit about the proximity of price points is beyond me. It’s a form factor option, and options are presumably a good thing.

 

[laxu]

I fear tor the price tag of the AXE FX IV

Knowing G66..."Yeah that's a nope for me dawg."