Power supply shopping, again

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Copy/pasting a little from another thread: I've been using a Strymon Zuma that I bought a few years back as a "be-all, end-all" replacement to a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2+ I've had for about 20 yrs...recently I disconnected the Zuma and put the Voodoo Lab back on. The Strymon was introducing all kinds of noise, rendering at least one pedal totally unusable in bypassed mode (Keeley 30ms) and requiring me to leave my Nemesis delay unplugged while the Strymon was powering up, THEN plugging it in after 10 seconds or so, which still didn't really fix the "vacuum in your mouth at the dentist" noise it was causing, and introducing some noise to my SLO reverb too. I did a gig over the weekend at a punk dive with less than ideal power and the Voodoo Lab performed noise free, just like it has in the past 20 years before switching to the Strymon. Source Audio told me that they see this problem with the Zuma because it's a switching-type power supply and can gradually ramp up the power to 9v when it starts, which does not mesh well with digital pedals.

This brings me to the point of the thread...I want to get something with a few extra outputs as I'm maxed out on the PP2+ already and would like to add one pedal back on my board, plus have a couple open if the situation arises where I need to use another pedal off-board or something. I'm wondering if anyone has had any experience with the newer Voodoo Lab (Pedal Power 3 or 3+) or the TrueTone CS12 (I've got a CS6 on my bass pedalboard and it's great), or any more insight as to whether these would give me the same problem the Strymon is. Any other options/opinions are appreciated - it would be cool to try and score one with a Memorial Day coupon if they seem like good options ;) Thanks!
 
I got a Cioks DC7 and Crux addon recently, and honestly, not really having any issues. Now I did compare with my Zuma, and didn't notice ANY noise differences... so.... I don't know what was going on with your Zuma... but yeah, maybe try the Cioks.
 
I like my Voodoo PP3+. I went with Voodoo over Cioks because I didn’t really want their unique cable situation.

With the PP3+, I can power the QC with the 12V output, I can power the HX Stomp with a current doubling cable on a 9V output, and I, of course, don’t have any trouble powering my assortment of individual pedals.

I don’t have much else to say about it, I guess. It’s a great tool and stays unglamorously out of the way.
 
I was considering both Strymon Zuma and Cioks DC-7 when I was putting together a new pedal board last fall. I chose DC-7 and I'm really happy with it, so much so that I bought another DC-7 for another (smaller) board.
 
Glad I never jumped on the Styeman bandwagon.

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I had this posted on TGP, but it could apply, here:

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I used a PP2 plus for years, but eventually replaced (which had been combined with a Walrus Phoenix) with a pair of Zumas and an Ojai expansion kit to power my first (and largest) board. This gave me 23 high-current isolated feeds.

But, when I bought those, I hadn't yet heard of the CIOKS stuff. I'll get to that later.

The 9 feeds on each of the Zumas was nice, and two of those could be configured for 9, 12, or 18 volts, which I thought would be perfect.

To date, I've never run anything on 12 or 18 volts on the Zuma. But, I imagine that will change soon enough, and I like the flexibility to do that with the flick of a switch, on any output I choose (with the CIOKS DC7). There are not very many pedal power supplies that can do this.

Some people have complained about the Zumas powering down when trying to initialize some digital units that seem to require a quicker jump in full mA output than the Zumas are capable of providing.

I've never personally experienced this issue (and I run a lot of digital pedals), but some have. So, bear that in mind.

It didn't take long after I bought the Zumas before Voodoo Lab upped their game and released the Pedal Power 3 Plus, which offered up 12 high-current outputs and the ability to use expansion units (just like the Zumas), if you needed more outputs.

Also, every one of those taps is rated at 500mA, as opposed to the PP2 Plus, which only had 100 mA for 6 of the 8 outputs, and only 250 mA max on each of the other two. If you're running more than just a few digital high-current pedals, the PP2 Plus just won't get the job done - and it's prone to noise (like an adjacent wah).

These PP3s are amazing and also run extremely quiet, since they're actually switching power supplies, rather than the old-school toroidal transformer-based supplies that had preceded them (like the PP2 Plus, for instance). This one is mounted under a Classic Jr board.

"This is not your father's Voodoo power supply LMAO!

If you need a lot of primarily 9-volt high-current taps, this may be a good option for you. Twelve high-current outs is nice, and it weights about half of what the PP2 Plus used to, while being barely larger than the PP2 Plus was.

I eventually heard you guys raving about the CIOKS DC-7 units and I ended up picking up one of those, paired up with an 8-port expansion kit for my pedaltrain Classic 2 board, which gave me 15 high-current, isolated outlets.

There's another stand-alone DC-7 mounted on my Nano MAX board.

I have a fifth board (another Classic 2) but am waffling over what power supply to use for it. I've considered Walrus' Canvas 15, but I'm really on the fence about that one.

Of the three different power supplies, the DC-7 is, by far, the most powerful (as far as maximum current output per feed), lightest*, most easily configurable and effortlessly mount-able unit I've ever owned. If I had to start up another board and I needed or wanted that kind of flexibility, I'd probably just grab another DC-7 (and an expansion kit, if needed) and be done with it.

*seemingly lightest-feeling LOL. Msquared verified that the DC-7 actually weights in at 1.1 pounds, as compared to the .9 pounds of the PP3 Plus. That threw me for a loop!

I love that every one of these outputs is configurable for 9, 12, 15, or 18 volts, and that every one provides up to 660 mA (at 9 volts). As I've mentioned, they're extremely light, incredibly easy to mount, using their GRIP brackets (no need to drill into the board), and run as dead-quiet as the Zumas do.

But the PP3 Plus also runs amazingly quiet.

Again, every one of these units is expandable/modular, so you can add additional high-current outputs, without having to buy a whole new power supply.

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Voodoo Lab are legendary for their long-term reliability and stellar customer service.

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The PP3 Looks like a tank, doesn't it? It is! Dimensions are extremely similar to the old PP2, but it weighs in at about half as much.

There's a reason thousands of guitarists still have them mounted under the boards and continue to use them, faithful to the brand.

I used to have the same reservations about the RCA connections on the CIOKs stuff. I used to say to myself, why the hell would I want RCA connections on any of my power supplies?

Why don't they just use "standard" barrel connections on those, so I can just swap one out from my other cables, if needed (if one failed)?

They're actually a lot more robust than they appear (I don't like how they look, personally), and the connection is very secure, once you hook one up.

Granted, I haven't exactly toured the world with any of these boards (haven't gigged in years), so I can't speak to these having passed the acid test of time. But a lot of guitarists, here, have gigged with them, and they don't seem to have experienced problems with those connectors - so CIOKS must be doing something right with that design - even if it is "non-standard".

I just wish they looked and felt heavier duty (compared to the Strymon plug, for instance.

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I love the GRIP mount (for the DC7 supply). If I wanted to, i could just bounce the supplies around between any spot on outside rail of the board (or any other pedaltrain Classic or Nano board), without ever needing to drill a hole. It allows for extremely flexible power supply placement, without making Swiss cheese out of your pedalboards :).

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The CIOKS Grip bracket. Drill-free mounting offers up super flexible power supply placement, but without having to drill a bunch of holes in my boards.

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The DD7's low profile also make it a great choice for easy mounting under many flat boards.

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This DC7 and 8 port expansion kit weigh about the same as the old PP2 Plus power supply, but offer dead-quiet performance and nearly twice the outputs - all of them, high-current.

Edit - as of yesterday (21 May), I've also just ordered a Walrus Audio Canvas 15 power supply. This will be installed on my second pedaltrain Classic 2 board that I picked up at a decent price, during the closing of a brick and mortar Sam Ash store near me, a while back.

I will report on that once I've installed it and have had a chance to put it through its paces :-).
 
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Some people have complained about the Zumas powering down when trying to initialize some digital units that seem to require a quicker jump in full mA output than the Zumas are capable of providing.

I've never personally experienced this issue (and I run a lot of digital pedals), but some have. So, bear that in mind.
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These PP3s are amazing and also run extremely quiet, since they're actually switching power supplies, rather than the old-school toroidal transformer-based supplies that had preceded them (like the PP2 Plus, for instance). This one is mounted under a Classic Jr board.

Some people = me, I am complaining about the Zuma powering down when initializing digital units. The fact that the PP3 is switching power supply makes me think I will have the exact same problem with that one too, so that's off the list.

Checking out the Cioks stuff, it seems like there's a bit of a void as far as outputs go - they have units with 7 outputs, 10, then jumping up to the 16 big boi. Are most people powering lots of stuff using the DC7 then that 8 output expander unit? I've got 9 pedals I'm trying to power, I think 2 more spare outlets would be nice but only that many might be off the table.
 
I got one of these earlier in the week but haven’t used it yet.
Have to fit it in my new Pedaltrain Novo 32 TCW when I’ve decided on which pedals are going on it ??
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Some people = me, I am complaining about the Zuma powering down when initializing digital units. The fact that the PP3 is switching power supply makes me think I will have the exact same problem with that one too, so that's off the list.

Checking out the Cioks stuff, it seems like there's a bit of a void as far as outputs go - they have units with 7 outputs, 10, then jumping up to the 16 big boi. Are most people powering lots of stuff using the DC7 then that 8 output expander unit? I've got 9 pedals I'm trying to power, I think 2 more spare outlets would be nice but only that many might be off the table.
I hear what you're saying. I suppose I've been fortunate in that I've not experienced any power issues, running multiple digital pedals (Strymon, Source Audio, Eventide, Keeley, Meris, Walrus Audio, Wampler, BOSS, Line 6, for instance) with any of my power supplies.

They just work. My Zumas and Ojai are the oldest of the bunch and I've had them since January of 2020.

I can understand you making the rationalization that since the other power supplies mentioned are also switching power supplies, that they will give you the same less-than-stellar results you had with the Zuma, but you're not speaking from having any hands-on experience with any of those power supplies, other the Zuma, itself. Numerous people have mentioned this power issue with the Zuma, but the others tend to get more positive remarks regarding stable powering of their multiple high-current digital pedals.

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I can safely say that many people with lots of pedals, who are using the DC7 and nothing else - seem to be daisy-chaining some of those pedals - like analog drives, for instance.

My combination DC7 and 8 port expansion box power many digital units (15, in total). I like the ability to have every pedal isolated. I'm not wiling to run anything on a daisy chain - ever. Those days are long over. So, to me, its worth the extra cash outlay, having the extra outlets.

Buy once, cry once.

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As an example of the PP3 Plus, effortlessly powering numerous digital pedals, this is a setup I used for a while, entirely powered by the Pedal Power 3 Plus. This is a pedaltrain Classic Jr board.

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Here's a pedaltrain Classic Pro board. There were a multitude of digital pedals on this ridiculous board (which is relegated to home/studio use), powered by the pair of Zumas and the 5-port Ojai expansion kit. Never had an issue. Not saying no one else has had issues - but I (and many others) haven't.

But, I tend not to recommend the Zumas, because dollar for dollar, I don't find them any quieter than the PP3 Plus or DC7 units. I think that can be easily attributed to the fact that they're switching/hybrid supplies, rather than old-school toroidal-based ones - like the old PP2 Plus, which, while extremely dependable, was also prone to a lot of electrical noise and hum, if you placed certain pedals (like a wah) in close proximity to it.

That, and the DC7, in particular, has incredibly flexible setup options (with it's higher mA-powered outlets, switch-able 9, 12, 15, or 18 volt selections available on each and every port, etc. It's also incredibly small and light, for all that it does.

F.Y.I. - CIOKS make a 4-port expansion kit, if you'd like to just go with 11 outputs (all high current-capable). It slaves off of the DC7, with a 24-volt pass-through cable.

Mounting options are crazy handy, if you want to re-configure power supply placement, with the drill-less bracket installation.

Generally, if I just want a lot of high-current isolated power feeds (but with the capability of expansion, if needed), and am using primarily 9 Volt DC pedals, the PP3 is a shoe-in, with its twelve available outlets.

For a while, I was dead-set on sticking strictly with U.S.-made power supplies, and I had never even heard of CIOKS until reading countless reviews from other guitarists who have gigged with them and used them for years, and they really sang its praises. So, I took a chance and bought my first one and have not been disappointed, since.

I've just ordered a Walrus Canvas Power 15, for my second Classic 2 board. While I'm a little leery about having to use primary power supplies that require an external transformer, rather than just plugging an IEC cable directly into the power supply, itself.

I'm willing to give this one a try. Will report on my results with that one, after it arrives and I've had a chance to put it through its paces.

Your choice, of course, brother. Vote with your wallet. This is just my 25 cents' worth.
 
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I got one of these earlier in the week but haven’t used it yet.
Have to fit it in my new Pedaltrain Novo 32 TCW when I’ve decided on which pedals are going on it ??
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Your post and Walrus Audio's 15% off for Memorial Day, pushed me over the edge and I ended up ordering the same power supply. Will be mounting it to a Classic 2 board.

I ordered directly from Walrus Audio. Can hardly wait to put it to use!

Question - how do you plan on mounting the transformer/power brick onto the board? The power supply itself, comes with brackets, but nothing for the transformer.

I'm probably going to just use three very small pieces of Dual Lock (one on each end, and one in the middle). Dual Lock was recommended by Alex Skaggs, in Customer Service, at Walrus, last year, when I inquired about it.

I can't believe I've been on the fence about this power supply for a year already. It's been around that long?
 
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Cioks are great!

@david57strat about not daisy chaining:

im currently doubling my outputs on my board. Like: 1 output goes to two pedals. Didn't plan this as I thought 8 outputs for 8 pedals would suffice but I keep adding pedals. I keep the ACS1 on its own output, but then I paired pedals in this thinking: 2 delays, 2 reverbs, 2 drives, comp and tuner.

What can happen that would support the idea of always having 1 pedal on 1 output?

So far I have no hum or noises, and I make the pairings being careful with mA draw compared to the outputs mA.

Im using a Harley Benton board with that built in PSU. Cheap stuff.... seems to work... for now anyway.
 
Your post and Walrus Audio's 15% off for Memorial Day, pushed me over the edge and I ended up ordering the same power supply. Will be mounting it to a Classic 2 board.

I ordered directly from Walrus Audio. Can hardly wait to put it to use!

Question - how do you plan on mounting the transformer/power brick onto the board? The power supply itself, comes with brackets, but nothing for the transformer.

I'm probably going to just use three very small pieces of Dual Lock (one on each end, and one in the middle). Dual Lock was recommended by Alex Skaggs, in Customer Service, at Walrus, last year, when I inquired about it.

I can't believe I've been on the fence about this power supply for a year already. It's been around that long?
To be honest I hadn’t given that much thought?
I might just leave it off board or use cable ties ?
15% off is a nice saving well done 👍
 
What can happen that would support the idea of always having 1 pedal on 1 output?

A lot of pedals can be daisy chained with others without any issues. Some pedals can have noise issues, and then there are some pedals with PNP transistors that use positive ground that really need to be isolated.

For the most part, having 2-4 pedals per port is not going to be a problem. The exceptions should be easy to identify and put on their own ports.
 
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I can highly recommend these two HB Isolated PSUs.
This one has been in use pretty much every day since the first covid lockdown and still going strong.👍
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I bought the bigger one a couple of years ago and its also brilliant 👍
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It’s as good as my much more expensive heavier and bigger Fender Engine room.
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I hear what you're saying. I suppose I've been fortunate in that I've not experienced any power issues, running multiple digital pedals (Strymon, Source Audio, Eventide, Keeley, Meris, Walrus Audio, Wampler, BOSS, Line 6, for instance) with any of my power supplies.

They just work. My Zumas and Ojai are the oldest of the bunch and I've had them since January of 2020.

I can understand you making the rationalization that since the other power supplies mentioned are also switching power supplies, that they will give you the same less-than-stellar results you had with the Zuma, but you're not speaking from having any hands-on experience with any of those power supplies, other the Zuma, itself. Numerous people have mentioned this power issue with the Zuma, but the others tend to get more positive remarks regarding stable powering of their multiple high-current digital pedals.

I can safely say that many people with lots of pedals, who are using the DC7 and nothing else - seem to be daisy-chaining some of those pedals - like analog drives, for instance.

My combination DC7 and 8 port expansion box power many digital units (15, in total). I like the ability to have every pedal isolated. I'm not wiling to run anything on a daisy chain - ever. Those days are long over. So, to me, its worth the extra cash outlay, having the extra outlets.

Buy once, cry once.

As an example of the PP3 Plus, effortlessly powering numerous digital pedals, this is a setup I used for a while, entirely powered by the Pedal Power 3 Plus. This is a pedaltrain Classic Jr board.

Here's a pedaltrain Classic Pro board. There were a multitude of digital pedals on this ridiculous board (which is relegated to home/studio use), powered by the pair of Zumas and the 5-port Ojai expansion kit. Never had an issue. Not saying no one else has had issues - but I (and many others) haven't.

But, I tend not to recommend the Zumas, because dollar for dollar, I don't find them any quieter than the PP3 Plus or DC7 units. I think that can be easily attributed to the fact that they're switching/hybrid supplies, rather than old-school toroidal-based ones - like the old PP2 Plus, which, while extremely dependable, was also prone to a lot of electrical noise and hum, if you placed certain pedals (like a wah) in close proximity to it.

That, and the DC7, in particular, has incredibly flexible setup options (with it's higher mA-powered outlets, switch-able 9, 12, 15, or 18 volt selections available on each and every port, etc. It's also incredibly small and light, for all that it does.

F.Y.I. - CIOKS make a 4-port expansion kit, if you'd like to just go with 11 outputs (all high current-capable). It slaves off of the DC7, with a 24-volt pass-through cable.

Mounting options are crazy handy, if you want to re-configure power supply placement, with the drill-less bracket installation.

Generally, if I just want a lot of high-current isolated power feeds (but with the capability of expansion, if needed), and am using primarily 9 Volt DC pedals, the PP3 is a shoe-in, with its twelve available outlets.

For a while, I was dead-set on sticking strictly with U.S.-made power supplies, and I had never even heard of CIOKS until reading countless reviews from other guitarists who have gigged with them and used them for years, and they really sang its praises. So, I took a chance and bought my first one and have not been disappointed, since.

I've just ordered a Walrus Canvas Power 15, for my second Classic 2 board. While I'm a little leery about having to use primary power supplies that require an external transformer, I'm willing to give this one a try. Will report on my results with that one, after it arrives and I've had a chance to put it through its paces.

Your choice, of course, brother. Vote with your wallet. This just my 25 cents' worth.

Thanks for the detailed responses. Trust me, I really wanted the Zuma to just work too, but I was hearing the noise/oscillation on tracks I'd been recording for clients (and everything else) and that's just not an acceptable bar for me, for any piece of gear. My skepticism of switching power supplies is based on what Source Audio told me, I'd contacted them about the noise thinking my delay pedal was broken - when I switched back to the PP2+, the noise from that pedal and several others went away. I'd like to work out why this type of problem seems to happen to some people and not others, but there's really not a lot of discussion about this problem out there to begin with, and I certainly wouldn't think the manufacturers are going to intentionally cast any doubt over what seems to be the new standard process in building these things.

Thanks also for pointing out the 4-port Cioks expansion, I missed that in my quick Cioks search earlier. I'm really tempted to try the new Voodoo Lab because I've had several of their products over the years and love them, but the Cioks DC7/4 might be the best solution for me. I appreciate the other recs, that Walrus is interesting but I use a smaller board usually (Pedaltrain Jr with the two front holes) and mounting that one plus the transformer might be tough.
 
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