POLYEND ENDLESS

[BROCKSTAR]

Up to your imagination no? (well up to the system horsepower and interface I suppose)

I just wonder if it could do polyphonic guitar synth, and if so could it do different kinds? ask for it to make me a fm synth, granular synth etc.. for guitar!

 

[Whizzinby]

Is it really micro transactions? I mean if you want to design your own custom effect with the help of AI someone has to foot the bill - that's hardly micro-transactions no?

Have they mention charging per effect download? They way I read it is all shared effects would be free and I'm assuming Polyend creations would be too? Is it not?


Up to your imagination no? (well up to the system horsepower and interface I suppose)

I scoured the site briefly and they said $1-2 for a simple drive like effect and $3-5 for something more complex like a delay.

I think for someone like me, who would just love the novelty of being able to casually throw in text prompts etc. that sort of micro transaction to load it into the pedal kills the appeal. (Fully noting that someone has to foot the backend bill to run Skynet)

Sounds like you can load other people’s shared effects for free, so maybe there would be fun trying out other peoples stuff.

 

[Whizzinby]

Someone over on TGP said:

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I'd love to read some people's prompts:

"An amazing delay, please"
"A distortion that sounds tasty but brutalist"
"The most beautiful chorus in the history of human kind"
"An overdrive that will make me more charismatic than the other guitarist in the band"
"A fuzz that sounds like coffee in the morning""

That’s kind of what I thought would be a cool gimmick. Seeing what gets generated from interesting prompts. But that novelty would probably wear off quick at a couple dollars a prompt.

 

[AlbertA]

I scoured the site briefly and they said $1-2 for a simple drive like effect and $3-5 for something more complex like a delay.

The way I read it is that's the approximate amount of AI tokens to DESIGN an effect - they are just giving you an estimate of how many tokens they think it takes to DESIGN an effect in that type of category, Not that you pay to download something someone (or them) have already created and shared.

From their FAQ:

If you want to use the Playground, it depends on the complexity of the effect and the number of iterations. A simple delay could cost $1.00 or $2.00, whereas a complex granular looper might cost up to $5.00. $20 of Tokens come with the purchase of a new Endless.

I think for someone like me, who would just love the novelty of being able to casually throw in text prompts etc. that sort of micro transaction to load it into the pedal kills the appeal. (Fully noting that someone has to foot the backend bill to run Skynet)

Gotcha - though it does come with $20 bucks worth of tokens - so I think enough to get your feet wet and see if you like this AI driven FX design stuff.
It seems reasonable to me. <and you can always learn C++ programming : >

Sounds like you can load other people’s shared effects for free, so maybe there would be fun trying out other peoples stuff.

Yes, hopefully - if it flops it'll just be a deserted playground.

 

[Orvillain]

As a development test platform, this looks really fucking cool. I already use Daisy Seed, but actually having a pedal I can write algorithms for, and chuck on a board? Yes please.

 

[2112]

As a development test platform, this looks really fucking cool. I already use Daisy Seed, but actually having a pedal I can write algorithms for, and chuck on a board? Yes please.

Dude I immediately thought of you with this. It'll be interesting to see how many people with music/coding crossover skills use this to jump into hardware.

 

[Orvillain]

Dude I immediately thought of you with this. It'll be interesting to see how many people with music/coding crossover skills use this to jump into hardware.

There's quite a few platforms out there you can breadboard with. But there's nothing else out there really that comes in a nice compact and usable form factor, with knobs and all of the power source design stuff done for you. I'm definitely getting one tbh. Maybe even two!

 

[Orvillain]

First thing I'll look at is getting JUCE headers onto the thing, so I can run some custom convolution stuff.... that'd be dango interesante.

 

[mbenigni]

There's quite a few platforms out there you can breadboard with. But there's nothing else out there really that comes in a nice compact and usable form factor, with knobs and all of the power source design stuff done for you. I'm definitely getting one tbh. Maybe even two!

I really want one, but I'll wait until they inevitably start showing up in used display cases for ~$200. I'm sure plenty of people will buy one just for the cool factor, and then remember that they don't have the time or inclination to actually program them. (Hell, I'll probably do the same, but I'd rather do it for $200 than $300 LOL.)

 

[mbenigni]

Does anyone else think it’s weird that this digital pedal that advertises itself as AI and code driven makes you physically put a piece of cardboard on it to make it look like the pedal you have loaded??

All that AI driven design and you couldn’t figure out how to make it a screen that automatically loads when you load a new pedal in the device??

The whole thing screams AI cash grab gimmick. No thanks

Agree re: the screen. Disagree about the cash grab gimmick. I think it's a pretty cool product, though certainly not for everyone.

I hadn't noticed the micro-transaction stuff, though. That's a bit of a turn off. Will have to look into that in a little more detail.

General observation: Damn, NAMM was legitimately cool this year.

 

[mbenigni]

That’s kind of what I thought would be a cool gimmick. Seeing what gets generated from interesting prompts. But that novelty would probably wear off quick at a couple dollars a prompt.

It would be so cool if you could upload attachments and reference them in prompts, e.g. "distortion plus filter as in this audio clip".

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'm not usually into this kind of thing, but wow. I'm really impressed with what I'm reading. Very innovative product, IMO. As far as the lacking screen, they could have definitely added one, allowed you to change graphics, etc. It would also have cost a lot more than $299.

 

[elgordito]

As a development test platform, this looks really fucking cool. I already use Daisy Seed, but actually having a pedal I can write algorithms for, and chuck on a board? Yes please.

You'd be better off putting the Daisy in a pedal... And then you can even use all the free LLMs that google and everyone else lets you use to generate code for you. Or pay for Claude or something if you want to get more serious.

 

[Orvillain]

You'd be better off putting the Daisy in a pedal... And then you can even use all the free LLMs that google and everyone else lets you use to generate code for you. Or pay for Claude or something if you want to get more serious.

I know c++ and I use various LLM's for certain things already. But yeah that kit is quite nifty!

 

[LP59]

Does anyone else think it’s weird that this digital pedal that advertises itself as AI and code driven makes you physically put a piece of cardboard on it to make it look like the pedal you have loaded??

At the point in the video where it's revealed the UI is cardboard, you can just hear the entire internet let out a sigh of disappointment.

 

[metropolis_4]

At the point in the video where it's revealed the UI is cardboard, you can just hear the entire internet let out a sigh of disappointment.

 

[metropolis_4]

Agree re: the screen. Disagree about the cash grab gimmick. I think it's a pretty cool product, though certainly not for everyone.

I hadn't noticed the micro-transaction stuff, though. That's a bit of a turn off. Will have to look into that in a little more detail.

General observation: Damn, NAMM was legitimately cool this year.

I’m probably being too hard on it. Some parts of it just scream “how can we monetize AI” to me

 

[mbenigni]

I’m probably being too hard on it. Some parts of it just scream “how can we monetize AI” to me

"How can we monetize [x]" is at the heart of any commercial project, but I hear you. AI is especially easy to dislike.

 

[mbenigni]

At the point in the video where it's revealed the UI is cardboard, you can just hear the entire internet let out a sigh of disappointment.

This part kind of reminds me of the Digitech iStomp from way back when. (I bought a few of them. I think I was the only one LOL.)

 

[metropolis_4]

"How can we monetize [x]" is at the heart of any commercial project, but I hear you. AI is especially easy to dislike.

Very true. I guess I’m extra skeptical about AI products right now because I’m seeing a lot of badly thought through garbage coming out of companies that are in such a rush to try to capitalize on AI they don’t bother to implement it well. The goal is to push it out the door as fast as possible so they can start using the buzz-words in their marketing and half the time the business people don’t even understand what they’re asking for they’ve just heard AI is the new train they need to get on and they’re afraid of being left behind.

The proof will be in actually using their agent and seeing how good a job they’ve done training it.


Wow, lots of pent up work frustration just spewed out in that response, haha