playing direct be like

This is where I am. Everyone in the band is on board for a Behringer Wing/Rack based IEM rig but the drummer is a dick about it.
As it’s about an investment there is no majority pressure. It’s been on hold forever. We do have shit stage sound or no monitoring at all a lot on gigs.
Tell the drummer to get his own wired rig and be done with it. Everyone else in our band is wireless but the drummer bought his own wired system. Drummers = different beasts.

PS. Our old drummer was the same way. We told him we would give him an XLR for his bus and he can do whatever he wanted to with it. Just don't come back to us that he can't hear anything. At first he brought his own wedge to plug in but got tired of carrying it and got a wired set up.
 
Tell the drummer to get his own wired rig and be done with it. Everyone else in our band is wireless but the drummer bought his own wired system. Drummers = different beasts.

PS. Our old drummer was the same way. We told him we would give him an XLR for his bus and he can do whatever he wanted to with it. Just don't come back to us that he can't hear anything. At first he brought his own wedge to plug in but got tired of carrying it and got a wired set up.
Both of the drummers I play with bought a couple of inexpensive headphone amps with belt clips and go wired.
 
Both of the drummers I play with bought a couple of inexpensive headphone amps with belt clips and go wired.
Same for my drummer, although, he is the most picky mofo with his mix, that I have ever seen, and he ONLY puts a couple of his drums in his ears. It's quite annoying.

Consequently, he doesn't always come in on time, when someone else starts a song :mad::facepalm
 
Same for my drummer, although, he is the most picky mofo with his mix, that I have ever seen, and he ONLY puts a couple of his drums in his ears. It's quite annoying.

Consequently, he doesn't always come in on time, when someone else starts a song :mad::facepalm
With the change over to digital boards, there's no reason he can't get a cheap tablet and run his own mix. We do that. It's super easy and the only person to blame for a bad mix is in the mirror.
 
If I ever manage to get a live band together for my Sloganyear project (the new stuff is all drums+bass+guitar+synths+vocals) then I think I'd like to try going direct with everything except the drums. This is literally not something I've ever done before aside from plugging a laptop into the PA for Ableton Live stuff, because every band I've ever seen do a setup with IEM's and going direct and all the rest of it, has taken a lot longer to setup than my old band ever did.

I remember quite a few instances where we ended up with line checks because one of the previous bands soundchecks overran by approximately twice the allocated length.

How do you guys keep the setup times down??

Back in the day I had the joy many others experience in the VFW (basically a run down bar made for veterans to drink cheap beer in, they're always renting them out for bands to play) world where there's 8 bands playing over 3 hours and 5 people are screaming at you to get your gear on/off the "stage" in seconds. Your first song is the line AND soundcheck and if you're lucky, the "soundman" realizes he's muted the kick mic 3 minutes into your last song. :rofl

Set everything up side-stage so when it's your turn you're just carrying shit up to the stage and plugging it in once everything is onstage. Especially the drums. Then when it's time to setup, EVERYONE in the band gets ALL the gear onstage first so Mr. Drummer isn't making 10 trips while you're polishing your pedals so no one captures the jizz stains on them when snapping pics of your band. Once all the gear is onstage, then everyone can plug shit in and turn it on. Then do the same in reverse for tear down.
 
Back in the day I had the joy many others experience in the VFW (basically a run down bar made for veterans to drink cheap beer in, they're always renting them out for bands to play) world where there's 8 bands playing over 3 hours and 5 people are screaming at you to get your gear on/off the "stage" in seconds. Your first song is the line AND soundcheck and if you're lucky, the "soundman" realizes he's muted the kick mic 3 minutes into your last song. :rofl

Set everything up side-stage so when it's your turn you're just carrying shit up to the stage and plugging it in once everything is onstage. Especially the drums. Then when it's time to setup, EVERYONE in the band gets ALL the gear onstage first so Mr. Drummer isn't making 10 trips while you're polishing your pedals so no one captures the jizz stains on them when snapping pics of your band. Once all the gear is onstage, then everyone can plug shit in and turn it on. Then do the same in reverse for tear down.
I can’t stand the VFWs I’ve been in lol even as a veteran - it’s like a cock measuring contest with those old dudes every time 😂
 
I can’t stand the VFWs I’ve been in lol even as a veteran - it’s like a cock measuring contest with those old dudes every time 😂

I've never been in one other than to play a gig! They're BIG in New England for metal shows.

Nothin' better than screaming your face off unintelligibly to 15 teenagers and 7 old dudes who don't get heavier than Zeppelin through a shit PA system with the smell of old beer and cigarettes permeating your pores. :rofl
 
I've never been in one other than to play a gig! They're BIG in New England for metal shows.

Nothin' better than screaming your face off unintelligibly to 15 teenagers and 7 old dudes who don't get heavier than Zeppelin through a shit PA system with the smell of old beer and cigarettes permeating your pores. :rofl
Omg the cigarettes lmao 😶‍🌫️
 
Well, he is a drummer, so it is a bit of a stretch to assume he can even operate a tablet, let alone adjust a mix.
:rofl
This is true, I have to do my drummers mix for him

Fortunately it’s not too hard basically everything just hardmaxed out
:rofl
I guess I’m lucky. Both drummers I play with can operate their own mix and one of them can even write out his parts in MIDI and notation if needed.
My guy's problem is, he knows too much for his own good. Like, he's smart and even tells the soundmen what frequencies to cut or boost so it's not boomy, etc, but, for someone with so much knowledge, and so much control, he sure seems to have a problem at every gig.

Meanwhile, whether I have control of my mix or not, 1 or 2 adjustments during the first song or two, and I'm set for the night. Most times, NO adjustments are needed, and we use a variety of house systems and sound engineers.
 
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