Pedalboard Build #2/NPD Catchup

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When I bought the flightcase for my FM9 it came with it's own pedalboard, which is a little bigger than the one I built for the FM9 so I figured I'd use it for the regular pedals I started accumulating-

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Initially I was going to base it around EJ/Gilmour tones as I didn't have any specific need I had to cover, but then I got the Plexi50 and that was like a second life started on guitar for me, after being into scooped chugging tones for so long I just fell in love with the tones I was getting for the first time ever, really. My previous Marshall experiences were all DSL's and JCM2000's my former band members had, I only played a Plexi once or twice before getting mine.

So I figured I'd make a board that would cover all the non-chugging tones I dig; aka 'a pedalboard that's more likely to earn gig money than my other rigs' :rofl
Then it was a 'non-modeling' board right up until I started picking delays and modulations and the more thought I put into it, the more the VP4 started to make sense. I was stuck on dirt pedals for a long time, I was attempting to find a combination that would stack and create a modded Marshall tone, but I could spend the rest of my life searching for that combo, in the meantime I snagged a Friedman BE-OD, first the regular one and then the Deluxe once I saw it has a mid knob.

Here's where we're at today-

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This is all going to get controlled with a Morningstar MC6 Pro and a couple ML5R loop switchers. I was going to go with the ML10 until I realized there's only 5 actual send/returns and you need fucking Y-cables for every loop. There's no way in hell my cable management OCD would allow for that.

Absolutely staying for sure- Keeley Compressor +, NOTADUMBLE, BE-OD.

There's some overlap with the NOTADUMBLE and Tchula, both could be an always-on pedal and I REALLY love them both for that, I'll keep both if I "can", but if not the Tchula will go as I'll always take some control/variation over a fixed circuit and I don't even use the Bias side of the Tchula. There's also overlap with the Blue channel of the BE-OD and the NOTADUMBLE's dirt section with how I have them set up. If I can get them closer than I'll likely switch to the regular BE-OD, I'm kinda bummed there's so much less gain on the 2nd channel of the Deluxe as it's not enough for me to use for a rhythm, but the green channel is fucking ACE!

A Fuzz Face WILL be on the board, but I'm not sold on which one yet and it'll likely end up being a DIY Fuzz Face. If space became a major issue then I could ditch the Fuzz Face for the Germanium Dover Drive as there's some definite simiarities.

The Vibronaught isn't wooshy enough of a vibe, so the vibe search continues. My Dry Bell is definitely dead. I was hoping it was a PSU issue but nope. All the modulation stuff will get handled via VP4, it'll basically be in 4CM with one loop covering pre-input modulation and the other loop handling post-amp effects. I initially wanted a dedicated Whammy pedal but adding a Wah, Expression and Whammy takes off a lot of real estate quick, so the VP4 will do the Whammy and Volume and I'll just have to navigate the 4 blocks with a little more thought.

I know I've accumulated enough frickin pedals in the last few months that when I finish this board I can slap together another one with the leftovers and still have a fully gigaggble board, maybe I'll wire one up and try to sell it as a turn-key thing.

Lastly, here's a clip of how things are sounding with that setup above. Once the whole board is done I'll make a more detailed breakdown video of the different tones, but the idea is to run either my Strat or Les Paul in front of it and not needing to adjust any amp or pedal settings between the two guitars. This is my Gilmour Strat with super dead strings-



REALLY impressed with that BE-OD, when I start noodling around with the higher gain tone that's so close to being my ideal modded Marshall tone. I can't wait to hear this shit through an amp later today when the Power Station finally shows up.
 
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Will be coming back to read this later but just wanted to say

1) awesome board!
2) I always forget how big the full fat fuzz pedals are 😂
 
Will be coming back to read this later but just wanted to say

1) awesome board!
2) I always forget how big the full fat fuzz pedals are 😂

Hahahahah they're obnoxious for sure, especially considering the circuit inside, but if it weren't for an old blue Fuzz Face and a bunch of random, unlabeled switches on EJ's old pedalboard, I might not even be here. Seeing his old Fuzz Face when I had zero clue pedals were even a thing and hearing the sound it made was 100% the catalyst of me being a gear nerd, so while I mini-FF or regular box would be far more efficient and logical, I won't have it any other way but a big ass one.

I had the original red Hendrix FF in high school, that thing sat on all my boards for like 3-4 years and I never even used it, not once. I just love the way Fuzz Faces look!
 
There’s a lot of overlap in our recent gear journeys. “like a second life started on guitar for me” is exactly how I’ve felt after going back to amps and pedals!

How do the blue Hendrix and EJ FF compare to each other? Is the SDE-3000 sticking around after all?

I wish my board didn’t had to be so specialized; I’ve got no room for a full size FF. I’m thinking I need to build a separate board that’s just a full size FF and a bunch of the big old EHX pedals
 
There’s a lot of overlap in our recent gear journeys. “like a second life started on guitar for me” is exactly how I’ve felt after going back to amps and pedals!

How do the blue Hendrix and EJ FF compare to each other? Is the SDE-3000 sticking around after all?

I wish my board didn’t had to be so specialized; I’ve got no room for a full size FF. I’m thinking I need to build a separate board that’s just a full size FF and a bunch of the big old EHX pedals

If ya check the Fuzz thread there’s some comparison vids between the two Fuzz Faces. I’m digging them both overall and ordered that badass Fuzz Face Explorer kit from @huntingtonaudio about 10 minutes after playing around with the Hendrix. So far my favorite way to use them is before the Friedman BE-OD, I have a channel on it specifically to use with the fuzzes and it’s so close to the Fuzz Face sound I’m chasing. The EJ is a lot thicker with more mids.

The SDE-3000 most likely won’t be sticking around. It’s on the board now just because I don’t have a VP4 yet but I’m about ready to list a bunch of stuff as I’m getting the “I bought too much shit” anxiety! I love the way it sounds but I’ve also been gaining a bit of an overkill vibe with it; for the size it’s a lot of real estate for one delay sound. Sure, you got the modulation in there but it’s still primarily one main delay sound that can be tweaked a bit. It’s just hard to reason in comparison to the VP4 that’s going to give me considerably more delay options.
 
Just ordered the Morningstar MC6 Pro and ML5R. All I’ve got left is the VP4 to get sorted (Reverb informed me the seller provided a case number for the lost item, I think at this point I should just get the damn refund since there is no product to purchase) then I need to grab another pedalboard patchbay/breakout box and this thing will be “done”.

Ah shit…..just remembered I’m not sold on the Vibronaught and still need to sort out a vibe solution as well as a rotary pedal. Damnit, every time I turn around there’s $250 to spend!
 
You running all of these into the front of the amp?

Everything but the SDE-3000, which was in a ‘loop’ (between the Suhr RL and my AxeFX, now in the loop of the PS100). Once I have the VP4 I’ll be using it 4CM with the delays/verbs being in the loop and pitch stuff up front.

I’m not opposed to running everything straight in, though. I’ve had pretty good luck with delays in front of the amp, but definitely prefer them in the loop.
 
Hahahah I didn’t even realize the MC6 was coming from West Palm, which is 40 minutes from me. It showed up last night but I’ve got to wait until Tuesday for the ML5. Once I popped it on the board I realized I’m running low on space REALLY fast!
 
ML5 showing up today so I’ll start learning how to program it with the MC6 and I’ll at least have the front end portion of the board removed from tapdancing.

Had to reach out to the dude I bought the Decimator from and ask for an update, “Oh, sorry, I didn’t even realize it sold” so I probably won’t see that until the end of the week at the earliest and I’m wondering if I’ll even need it. I bought it when I was having the Fuzz Face issues which went away moving to my living room. The VP4’s gate will likely be all I need.

When looking at the FAS forum and VP4 rigs, I’m seeing a few people use the VP4 w/ an ML5, I just need the VP4 to be able to select individual loops in the ML5 and then I can get rid of the MC6 and make room for another pedal or two! :rofl

Kinda funny, but I’m going to have a bunch of shit to sell once this board is complete. The SDE-3000, BE-OD, possibly MC6, I’ll likely get rid of a few dirt pedals I’ve been on the fence about. Be kinda cool if I can recoup the cost of the VP4!
 
ML5 showing up today so I’ll start learning how to program it with the MC6 and I’ll at least have the front end portion of the board removed from tapdancing.

Had to reach out to the dude I bought the Decimator from and ask for an update, “Oh, sorry, I didn’t even realize it sold” so I probably won’t see that until the end of the week at the earliest and I’m wondering if I’ll even need it. I bought it when I was having the Fuzz Face issues which went away moving to my living room. The VP4’s gate will likely be all I need.

When looking at the FAS forum and VP4 rigs, I’m seeing a few people use the VP4 w/ an ML5, I just need the VP4 to be able to select individual loops in the ML5 and then I can get rid of the MC6 and make room for another pedal or two! :rofl

Kinda funny, but I’m going to have a bunch of shit to sell once this board is complete. The SDE-3000, BE-OD, possibly MC6, I’ll likely get rid of a few dirt pedals I’ve been on the fence about. Be kinda cool if I can recoup the cost of the VP4!

I can tell you from my experience this past weekend that the MC6 Pro is amazing and setting up the ML5R with it is as simple as can be!

They communicate with SysEx so all you have to do for each preset is check the boxes for which loops you want to be active, select the loop order, and select which loop has trails.

The MC6 Pro is insanely powerful!
 
I can tell you from my experience this past weekend that the MC6 Pro is amazing and setting up the ML5R with it is as simple as can be!

They communicate with SysEx so all you have to do for each preset is check the boxes for which loops you want to be active, select the loop order, and select which loop has trails.

The MC6 Pro is insanely powerful!

Hahahahha dude I’m glad I’m reading this now and not before I sat down with them last night to program it. It would be REALLY awesome if Morningstar included a USB cable with these things, that would have saved me an hour of trying to troubleshoot why I wasn’t able to connect to the editor. Fortunately, I had 1 shorter USB 3 - USB C cable. I ordered the Widi jack thing so I can just use my iPad via Bluetooth in the future.

I don’t know why I had such a hard time with this, I’m not new to MIDI and had no problems setting up rack gear with my GCPro back in the day, but I could not get the ML5 to switch the damn loops on and off after going through the steps. The manual is fucking HORRIBLE.

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1 and 3 are reversed here.

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I have no clue how that flow chart is a visual representation of what’s written above it. I’m still trying to understand what a Page is. The .PDF version has a few other mistakes in it that aren’t in the web version, one of the instructions was to push footswitches D + H to access profiles and I’m looking all over it for a hidden H button.

But this is the one that had me tripped up for hours-

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Because it doesn’t say how to save it after and I can’t believe this right now, but I can’t remember how I got them to save, I’m pretty sure it was hitting the Bypass button again, but I know I repeated the process about 50 fucking times last night and could not get the footswitches to control the loops. I’d find the function in the MIDI Directory and load it up, the first time I did it it was seeamless and it saved right away, but for the next 3 I did it literally took me 2 hours. And that was after the hour I wasted with a charge-only cable.

So hopefully now that that’s out of the way I can just move onto enjoying the damn thing. :rofl Would it kill them to just put a fucking STORE button on a device that stores information? :ROFLMAO:

I was thinking I could get away with just one ML5R but I’m selling myself short not getting a 2nd.
 
I had one loop left to program so I got to go through the process again and remember what jacked me up last night; picking the action I wanted from the Device Directory/Device Drop-down menu does not actually make the ML5 do what I’m selecting, I have to manually enter the MIDI Channel and CC# to make it work. I tried selecting Engage and Bypass for the 1st and 2nd functions but no dice. I just manually enter 84 for the CC# and it’ll engage/bypass the loop as I want it to. And I can’t even remember how I figured that out last night, I just know it was a LOT of trial and error. Maybe my cable is shit.

Re-ordering was a breeze. Hahahah I played around with the screen colors thinking all these different colors would be ‘fun’, it was just annoying and confusing to look at. I’ll stick with black, white and green.

All that said, there’s a noticeable difference in the signal quality to the amp in a positive way and it’s quieter all around. These are worth it even if you’re just running a few pedals without a lot of tap dancing due to that improvement.

I didn’t want to start cutting cables until the VP4 is here, this is the mess I hobbled together to program it.

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I’m going to have one loop of the VP4 in front of the Ml5, then the ML5 to the amp’s input. The other loop of the VP4 will be for effects loop stuff. I was thinking earlier I should add another ML5 right away, but I’m going to wait and see what I’m not able to cover with the VP4 first. I’ll have the Comp+, Fuzz Face, Vibe, NOTAKLON and BE-OD Deluxe. I’ll be using a real wah so the VP4 is mainly for delay, pitch and modulation. I can’t think of anything I couldn’t do with this combination of stuff.
 
I figured I should start getting the layout sorted out so I knew how much room I actually had left over, now I’m not so sure another ML5 is in my future at all!

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I figure the VP4 will pretty much fill in that space between the MC6 and SDE and the top right is going to have a wireless on it. That pretty much puts an end to that board! I actually need to figured out where I’m going to stick the breakout box for this, the left of the Friedman with the cable ends reaching the handle is looking like a pretty good spot. I also grabbed a tap tempo switch, I haven’t actually watched any vids on the VP4 yet, but I assume it takes up a switch on there and I don’t wanna do that.

Edit- High school me is kicking my ass right now, saying “Dude, I would have had 5 notebooks filled with this layout before I even had the wah pedal! WTF!!”

I got a little work to sort out-

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Man, this blows away drawings in a notebook. I would have made so many rockstar pedalboards with this thing in school.

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Things will surely change a bit when I have everything laid out in front of me. Glad I realized I needed the Crux for the VP4 now rather than after I started putting shit down permanently. I figure I’m fine putting it on top of the DC7 like this-

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I really want to see how well I can keep the audio and power from crossing or rolling long lengths next to each other. I really can’t believe I’ve waited this long to start figuring this out, drawing pedalboards was all I did from middle school until I had my first couple as an adult.
 
Make sure you account for the plug jacks! I’ve set up some perfect layouts and then when I tried to plug it all in realized I had underestimated how much space even the low profile jacks take up.
 
I had one loop left to program so I got to go through the process again and remember what jacked me up last night; picking the action I wanted from the Device Directory/Device Drop-down menu does not actually make the ML5 do what I’m selecting, I have to manually enter the MIDI Channel and CC# to make it work. I tried selecting Engage and Bypass for the 1st and 2nd functions but no dice. I just manually enter 84 for the CC# and it’ll engage/bypass the loop as I want it to. And I can’t even remember how I figured that out last night, I just know it was a LOT of trial and error. Maybe my cable is shit.

Re-ordering was a breeze. Hahahah I played around with the screen colors thinking all these different colors would be ‘fun’, it was just annoying and confusing to look at. I’ll stick with black, white and green.

All that said, there’s a noticeable difference in the signal quality to the amp in a positive way and it’s quieter all around. These are worth it even if you’re just running a few pedals without a lot of tap dancing due to that improvement.

I didn’t want to start cutting cables until the VP4 is here, this is the mess I hobbled together to program it.

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I’m going to have one loop of the VP4 in front of the Ml5, then the ML5 to the amp’s input. The other loop of the VP4 will be for effects loop stuff. I was thinking earlier I should add another ML5 right away, but I’m going to wait and see what I’m not able to cover with the VP4 first. I’ll have the Comp+, Fuzz Face, Vibe, NOTAKLON and BE-OD Deluxe. I’ll be using a real wah so the VP4 is mainly for delay, pitch and modulation. I can’t think of anything I couldn’t do with this combination of stuff.

With the ML5R you should be able to use SysEx instead of CC and PC. In the dropdown menu you should see ML5R in the list under devices.

When you select that there is a dropdown menu on the left that has the options Engage, Bypass, Set. If you choose “Set” then the checkboxes that are checked will be engaged and the ones that are unchecked will be bypass.

There are some weird confusing things in the manuals.
 
With the ML5R you should be able to use SysEx instead of CC and PC. In the dropdown menu you should see ML5R in the list under devices.

When you select that there is a dropdown menu on the left that has the options Engage, Bypass, Set. If you choose “Set” then the checkboxes that are checked will be engaged and the ones that are unchecked will be bypass.

There are some weird confusing things in the manuals.

Yeah, tried that process dozens of times. Tried Bypass, tried Engage, I got nothing from any of them. I’ll try again once I have the WIDI dongle in case it was a cable issue.
 
Yeah, tried that process dozens of times. Tried Bypass, tried Engage, I got nothing from any of them. I’ll try again once I have the WIDI dongle in case it was a cable issue.

Do you have any other device between the MC6 and the ML5R, or does your MIDI cable go straight out of the MC6 into the ML5R?
 
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