Nux Amp Academy Stomp

Los-D said:
Anyone have an opinion on how Nux compares to the Hotone, Mooer, Valeton, etc offerings? I tried the Ampero Mini last year and aside from really cool form factor, it was a hard pass for me (both amp tones and effects). NAM compatibility has peaked my curiosity again.
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We don't know yet. Hopefully Leo's video will drop soon.
 
Los-D said:
Anyone have an opinion on how Nux compares to the Hotone, Mooer, Valeton, etc offerings? I tried the Ampero Mini last year and aside from really cool form factor, it was a hard pass for me (both amp tones and effects). NAM compatibility has peaked my curiosity again.
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Yes. For Hotone you need to try the new gen of modeling available on Ampero II Stage or Stomp. The mini is older Ampero I level. There’s a large difference.

For the Nux 4K modeling on the Amp Academy Stomp, I have the Solid Studio MKII with a limited subset of the amps currently. Their 4K Plexi 100 is great and definitely a step up from previous Nux 2K which I also have in the OG Amp Academy.

I think my Hotone Stage is excellent. The Nux SS MKII is ok. I believe it clearly needs some FW work.
 
KingsXJJ said:
Yes. For Hotone you need to try the new gen of modeling available on Ampero II Stage or Stomp. The mini is older Ampero I level. There’s a large difference.

For the Nux 4K modeling on the Amp Academy Stomp, I have the Solid Studio MKII with a limited subset of the amps currently. Their 4K Plexi 100 is great and definitely a step up from previous Nux 2K which I also have in the OG Amp Academy.

I think my Hotone Stage is excellent. The Nux SS MKII is ok. I believe it clearly needs some FW work.
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The 4K Nux Amps are fantastic - for all intents and purposes, they are functionally as good as anything out there.
 
Got me thinking about this pre-hype stuff he started doing with the Anagram.

I get its all about "clicks" but - using Leo's criteria - if this doesn't Null Test better than the GP5 [ -30.7 ] and the Sonulab Stompstation [-33.8 ] then there's f*ck-all value to this pre-hype and the video drop above other than clicks and revenue .... and yes, I do know that is what it all ultimately comes down to.

I mean there no shortage of converted-NAM players around that all seem to sit in the Null test range of -30 to -33 LUFS so if this is just another one of those, its hardly going to be anything worthy of pre-hyping [again] to this degree - then again, see my orange text above.
 
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In case anyone missed it, the above screenshot from the latest manual mentions “complete multilayer Deep Image” amp models.

I would guess this is either the equivalent of a multi-layered NAM image file or a converted NAM file augmented with white box modeling.
In either case, it should prove interesting once shipped.
 
KingsXJJ said:
In case anyone missed it, the above screenshot from the latest manual mentions “complete multilayer Deep Image” amp models.

I would guess this is either the equivalent of a multi-layered NAM image file or a converted NAM file augmented with white box modeling.
In either case, it should prove interesting once shipped.
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Eh.. not quite; it's what they call their parametric models:

Nux amp academy stomp (new 2025)

100% NAM or not. Someone will crack the conversion process IMO. I imagine it is now like the early days of the MP3.
www.thegearpage.net
 
2dor said:
Eh.. not quite; it's what they call their parametric models:

Nux amp academy stomp (new 2025)

100% NAM or not. Someone will crack the conversion process IMO. I imagine it is now like the early days of the MP3.
www.thegearpage.net
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That link does mention adding white box modeling as I guessed. Capturing multiple gain settings sound like a major win as well to me.

I don’t believe NAM being run natively is the end all be all metric and I consider the actual capture and source amp as more important than a null test, etc. I believe that a hybrid approach is likely to yield some surprising results. Especially on the more affordable devices. Like the Hotone Verbera and Ampero II. I do hear a lot of people (not you @2dor) rendering judgement on alternative approaches when in all likely hood they have never actually heard it in person or own a device that does it. That’s unfortunate because it spreads opinion as fact and influences some folks without cause.

I’d take this even further in to a possible future when a full native NAM file is augmented by advanced white box modeling. Just like the Verbera does with convoluted reverb accompanied with algorithmic reverb. I could be wrong about all of this. But the white paper by Hotone makes a compelling case for a hybrid approach and I really like their results so far. My bet is that they and NUX will upset the apple cart sooner than expected. In NUX’s case, I would shoot for a solid middle tier cost unit that has 4K TSAC-HD white box and NAM combined. You can get a preview of how that might sound on the HQ Petrucci and Soldano amps in the Hotone Stage or Stomp. At about $530 for the Stage if you shop hard, it’s a better offering than Line 6 currently has for over 1K and gets quite close to Fractal level. If Hotone and NUX can build up a comparable library of amps to L6 and Fractal, and come in at half the price or so, I think even the critics will have to pay attention.
 
KingsXJJ said:
That link does mention adding white box modeling as I guessed. Capturing multiple gain settings sound like a major win as well to me.

I don’t believe NAM being run natively is the end all be all metric and I consider the actual capture and source amp as more important than a null test, etc. I believe that a hybrid approach is likely to yield some surprising results. Especially on the more affordable devices. Like the Hotone Verbera and Ampero II. I do hear a lot of people (not you @2dor) rendering judgement on alternative approaches when in all likely hood they have never actually heard it in person or own a device that does it. That’s unfortunate because it spreads opinion as fact and influences some folks without cause.

I’d take this even further in to a possible future when a full native NAM file is augmented by advanced white box modeling. Just like the Verbera does with convoluted reverb accompanied with algorithmic reverb. I could be wrong about all of this. But the white paper by Hotone makes a compelling case for a hybrid approach and I really like their results so far. My bet is that they and NUX will upset the apple cart sooner than expected. In NUX’s case, I would shoot for a solid middle tier cost unit that has 4K TSAC-HD white box and NAM combined. You can get a preview of how that might sound on the HQ Petrucci and Soldano amps in the Hotone Stage or Stomp. At about $530 for the Stage if you shop hard, it’s a better offering than Line 6 currently has for over 1K and gets quite close to Fractal level. If Hotone and NUX can build up a comparable library of amps to L6 and Fractal, and come in at half the price or so, I think even the critics will have to pay attention.
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I think Genome's TSM-AI amps are also hybrid models (whitebox preamp + neural net poweramp) and FWIW they sound, and feel, awesome. I think that's a great approach if vendors get the preamp > poweramp gainstaging right.
 
2dor said:
I think Genome's TSM-AI amps are also hybrid models (whitebox preamp + neural net poweramp) and FWIW they sound, and feel, awesome. I think that's a great approach if vendors get the preamp > poweramp gainstaging right.
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Same for Hotone Ampero 2's amp models, though my understanding is they use a mix of component and machine learning models for both preamp and poweramp. It's not perfect, but it still is pretty darn good considering the price point.

I was rocking the Ampero 2 through my Fryette PS-100 to one of my BluGuitar cabs just yesterday and it sounded really good like that.
 
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