N"G"D day: Epiphone Iommi "Monkey" SG Special

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(@Eagle's going to have a field day with this one LOL.)

"Guitar" arrived yesterday. First impressions: good weight and balance, a bit more red than I'd hoped, but overall not a bad-looking guitar. And a surprisingly decent case, considering it must have been more or less free.

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Second impressions: really nothing much in the way of tone. Sounds as light as it feels, kind of like a toy. The P90s, to my surprise, didn't do much for me. The neck pickup angle seemed way off axis vs. the neck itself - whereas the bridge pickup was fine - and I didn't see any obvious way to adjust. (Surely there is one?) But I couldn't really draw any conclusions without putting some decent strings on (which, spoiler-alert, I never got that far.) Moving on...

I noticed a cosmetic flaw - nothing major, but sadly exactly where I'd be staring at it all the time: The taping/ spraying of the faux binding at the 6th fret (bass side) was very sloppy:

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Disappointing, but not a deal-breaker for what I paid. More importantly, I was starting to realize that I disliked the neck profile: narrow string spacing but a deeper carve than what I would typically go for. And worse, a very unusual taper that made it much deeper at the higher frets than at the nut. Distractingly so IMO.

At this point I stepped away to clear my head. When I got back I turned on the amp, turned it off again, and decided to try the guitar through the QC. With the benefit of all the reverb etc., it actually sounded pretty good! Inspired, I swiped my left hand down the neck (pseudo pick-slide rawk thing), then started to move back up to play a lick, when a pretty healthy dose of pain shot up my left arm. The finish near the nut on the high E side of the neck had started to flake off. It flexed, then a sharp little point broke off in my hand. I managed to pull it out with my teeth. If I could put this part of the story in a positive light: it was the moment I realized I didn't have to worry about whether I could live with the rest of the issues. A neck whose finish is fucked up to the point of causing injury is a deal-breaker a thousand times over.

Tiny, but painful. And sure to worsen with time:

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Ouch pouch:

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Next up was reading all the fine print on AMS' website and getting agida about "signs of wear" vs. shipping charges vs. restocking fees, etc. Basically, how much was this absolute disaster going to wind up costing me? But to their credit, the actual Earth human I finally got on the phone was really cool, and it looks like I'll be getting a full refund. (Elvis has already left the proverbial building, after all of about 24 hours.)

tl;dr - Oops I did it again? Actually, that's not really fair, since I'm pretty happy with my other Epiphone, a "Limited Edition Tony Iommi SG Custom" I bought a few years back. But I'm done buying guitars (or amplifiers) sight unseen for the foreseeable future.
 
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Oh man that sucks big time.
Hopefully they covered the shipping back as well.
Yeah this was a big concern. The wording on the website was not favorable, but the guy I spoke with said they always consider the circumstances, and in this scenario I’m (allegedly) fully covered.
 
Not sure how close you examined, but I wonder if that finish chip is due to a crack - the location of it is suspicious. Sorry the guitar was a bit of a dud.

FWIW, I’ve made a couple of returns to AMS with no issues.
 
I saw one of these at GC the other day but didn't mess with it. There were a few Gibsons I was more interested in. Last time I tried a Epi SG I wasn't exactly floored. It was brand new and looked great and playability was ok but just didn't feel right. The Gibson Faded Special that was 15 years old was a much better guitar. Hence it came home.
 
Not sure how close you examined, but I wonder if that finish chip is due to a crack - the location of it is suspicious. Sorry the guitar was a bit of a dud.

FWIW, I’ve made a couple of returns to AMS with no issues.
I didn’t see any evidence of a crack but who knows. Water under the bridge now.

I actually think I did a return with AMS a few years back as well, and they were great. The verbiage on their website is just a little more careful than e.g. MF’s in terms of protecting their interests.
 
I saw one of these at GC the other day but didn't mess with it. There were a few Gibsons I was more interested in. Last time I tried a Epi SG I wasn't exactly floored. It was brand new and looked great and playability was ok but just didn't feel right. The Gibson Faded Special that was 15 years old was a much better guitar. Hence it came home.
Yeah if I start casting around for another SG again, it’ll probably be a used Gibson.

Guild is another possibility. A friend of mine just got a used Thayil signature - also an Asian import if I’m not mistaken, but the one he got looks, sounds, and plays great. I’d put it a couple of notches above my Epi SG Custom, and as I’ve said, I do like that guitar.
 
Yeah if I start casting around for another SG again, it’ll probably be a used Gibson.

Guild is another possibility. A friend of mine just got a used Thayil signature - also an Asian import if I’m not mistaken, but the one he got looks, sounds, and plays great. I’d put it a couple of notches above my Epi SG Custom, and as I’ve said, I do like that guitar.

I’m a huge Soundgarden fan and yeah I’ve wanted to try the Guild. They look great.
 
(@Eagle's going to have a field day with this one LOL.)

"Guitar" arrived yesterday. First impressions: good weight and balance, a bit more red than I'd hoped, but overall not a bad-looking guitar. And a surprisingly decent case, considering it must have been more or less free.

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Second impressions: really nothing much in the way of tone. Sounds as light as it feels, kind of like a toy. The P90s, to my surprise, didn't do much for me. The neck pickup angle seemed way off axis vs. the neck itself - whereas the bridge pickup was fine - and I didn't see any obvious way to adjust. (Surely there is one?) But I couldn't really draw any conclusions without putting some decent strings on (which, spoiler-alert, I never got that far.) Moving on...

I noticed a cosmetic flaw - nothing major, but sadly exactly where I'd be staring at it all the time: The taping/ spraying of the faux binding at the 6th fret (bass side) was very sloppy:

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Disappointing, but not a deal-breaker for what I paid. More importantly, I was starting to realize that I disliked the neck profile: narrow string spacing but a deeper carve than what I would typically go for. And worse, a very unusual taper that made it much deeper at the higher frets than at the nut. Distractingly so IMO.

At this point I stepped away to clear my head. When I got back I turned on the amp, turned it off again, and decided to try the guitar through the QC. With the benefit of all the reverb etc., it actually sounded pretty good! Inspired, I swiped my left hand down the neck (pseudo pick-slide rawk thing), then started to move back up to play a lick, when a pretty healthy dose of pain shot up my left arm. The finish near the nut on the high E side of the neck had started to flake off. It flexed, then a sharp little point broke off in my hand. I managed to pull it out with my teeth. If I could put this part of the story in a positive light: it was the moment I realized I didn't have to worry about whether I could live with the rest of the issues. A neck whose finish is fucked up to the point of causing injury is a deal-breaker a thousand times over.

Tiny, but painful. And sure to worsen with time:

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Ouch pouch:

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Next up was reading all the fine print on AMS' website and getting agida about "signs of wear" vs. shipping charges vs. restocking fees, etc. Basically, how much was this absolute disaster going to wind up costing me? But to their credit, the actual Earth human I finally got on the phone was really cool, and it looks like I'll be getting a full refund. (Elvis has already left the proverbial building, after all of about 24 hours.)

tl;dr - Oops I did it again? Actually, that's not really fair, since I'm pretty happy with my other Epiphone, a "Limited Edition Tony Iommi SG Custom" I bought a few years back. But I'm done buying guitars (or amplifiers) sight unseen for the foreseeable future.
Looks like a crack from the position and angle.
 
Looks like a crack from the position and angle.
When you guys say “crack”, are you talking about a crack in the neck? It’s obvious the finish/ clear cracked, but I didn’t see any cracks any deeper than that (in wood). Might have flexed too much before the finish had cured properly, though.
 
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