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Meh from me but here it is nonetheless. Touchscreen...
Mooer GE1000
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dronerstone
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Meehhhhh.....?
I personally advise against anything digital/multi/modeler by Mooer.
A whole bunch of their mini clones are decent though, but every time I see that bricked Preamp Live "hidden" in the back of the back of my storage shelf, it reminds me that they can't be trusted.
If you have the guts, try one, but don't expect sufficient firmware updates or customer support.
Your money is better off elsewhere, imho.
I personally advise against anything digital/multi/modeler by Mooer.
A whole bunch of their mini clones are decent though, but every time I see that bricked Preamp Live "hidden" in the back of the back of my storage shelf, it reminds me that they can't be trusted.
If you have the guts, try one, but don't expect sufficient firmware updates or customer support.
Your money is better off elsewhere, imho.
Yeah, I've tried to search for the user manual... Nothing at all. Launching a product without any documentation is not normal (to say the least). Nah, I guess it'll be there in little time, but it's an awful commercial behaviour.
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100% if I was going to go with overseas product the Hotone Ampero stage looks like a decent unit
Here's a quick demo I recorded today, using only stock presets, sometimes with some tweaks, and compared to presets I made on the Hotone Ampero Mini and on the Mooer GE300 (I used extracts from an old demo for the later, as I sold it long ago).
Remarks :
- I generally dislike touchscreens, and the one on the GE1000 isn't going to change that, I had better experiences on the Headrush Prime and the Quad Cortex
- it's not a perfect A/B comparison and not meant to be. I'm comparing stock presets with presets I made on different multifx, using my custom IRs, playing different stuff etc...
- my playing is terrible, I'm just getting back to the guitar after two months of quasi inactivity, and with some physical issues in my arms
- Besides that, compared to older Mooer units, this one seems to have a great potential, I can't wait to make presets on it ! It won't rival higher end units, for sure, but it's a definitive step up.
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From your quick demo, I'm not sure that thing has a leg up on the old Zoom G3 in the toanz department....
Sascha Franck
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Why are they wasting ressources on all those mini switches to only offer one data encoder? Are they like utterly stupid? With a touchscreen to select things, it should be exactly the other way around.
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Aww, come on. I own a G3 and still love it for quite some things, but the amp tones are god awful.
PorcinePicker
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I know, I know.
In which regard? Do you feel it's got improved algorithms? I've read they talk about 4.0 algorithms, whatever that might mean...
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Fwiw, I'm wondering whether any of those chinese companies (Mooer, Donner, NUX, Hotone, whatever...) will one day at least try to come up with something to actually improve on certain things rather than just copying stuff.
Yeah, sure, Mooer have their own attempt at profiling, but it's received so-so-ish at best and you need to use their partially questionable hardware hosts to "enjoy" it.
Then there's also Donner's Arena 2000, which IMO is an excellent example of how to realize an incredibly easy to deal with UI on a "fixed-signal-path-and-block-type" modeler (which most of these things fall under, minus exceptions such as the Ampero).
But as much as they sometimes come up with their own combinations of things, there's hardly ever anything unique to be found. And within all their copycat frenzy, they even often leave the more interesting things out, so in the end, all these devices look and sound like minor deviations from the same (already copied somewhere else) blueprint.
And while I may one day purchase one of these things to replace my G3 (as an acoustic and sort of backup rig), so far it could really be pretty much any of them, as none of them has any truly strong USPs. Enter your form factor and you can grab pretty much any of them blindfolded, it'll be as good or bad as whatever else you could've grabbed.
Don't these companoes realize it's like that or do they just not care because they can mass produce such things with pretty much no cost and possibly even trash an entire production run in case it's not taking off?
Given China's incredible manpower and ressources, they could as well just do some research and at least try to come up with a top tier modeler.
But then, otoh, they could do the same with, say, cars. Yeah, they'll be flooding the market (especially the one for electric vehicles), but I have never seen any top tier automobiles coming from China.
Are they just copycats by nature?
Yeah, sure, Mooer have their own attempt at profiling, but it's received so-so-ish at best and you need to use their partially questionable hardware hosts to "enjoy" it.
Then there's also Donner's Arena 2000, which IMO is an excellent example of how to realize an incredibly easy to deal with UI on a "fixed-signal-path-and-block-type" modeler (which most of these things fall under, minus exceptions such as the Ampero).
But as much as they sometimes come up with their own combinations of things, there's hardly ever anything unique to be found. And within all their copycat frenzy, they even often leave the more interesting things out, so in the end, all these devices look and sound like minor deviations from the same (already copied somewhere else) blueprint.
And while I may one day purchase one of these things to replace my G3 (as an acoustic and sort of backup rig), so far it could really be pretty much any of them, as none of them has any truly strong USPs. Enter your form factor and you can grab pretty much any of them blindfolded, it'll be as good or bad as whatever else you could've grabbed.
Don't these companoes realize it's like that or do they just not care because they can mass produce such things with pretty much no cost and possibly even trash an entire production run in case it's not taking off?
Given China's incredible manpower and ressources, they could as well just do some research and at least try to come up with a top tier modeler.
But then, otoh, they could do the same with, say, cars. Yeah, they'll be flooding the market (especially the one for electric vehicles), but I have never seen any top tier automobiles coming from China.
Are they just copycats by nature?
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I remember watching a video explaining this, basically, yes. Not exactly "by nature" but by culture and mentality, copying is not seen as something bad, it's encouraged.
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I was actually quite aware of these things - so my question was sort of rethoric, it just came to my mind that it might as well be time for a change.
You know, for years, the biggest carpet (and other things to cover floors...) fair in the world happened right here in Hannover and I used to work there (sometimes helping with a booth a friend of mine was kinda running, sometimes also playing some gigs) for quite some years. And there's always been some chinese folks photographing new designs. And you could quite sometimes see those very designs popping up on some chinese booths just next year (the company my friend was working for even filed a lawsuit against a chinese company because of some IP theft).
Sure. But couldn't they just do both? I mean, historically, China's list of what could be pretty much considered "genuine chinese" things is a really long one.
Your post about China completely reminds me about coverbands vs original bands. I've done both since 1979. I've only been in 2 all-original bands. In those bands the other musicians couldn't AND WOULDN'T play covers, and they were extremely innovative. . In all of my coverbands there have been very few people who could write tunes and play originals. The 'cover' people I've played with are amazing musicians and some of the best in our State, but either can't write or have zero aptitude or desire to do so. I can do both and I only know very few others who do both. On a very small scale it parallels the copycat vs innovator engineer situation in China. . . This might seem a stupid post to some, especially those who haven't worked in bands a lot, but I've lived it, and felt it was relevant.. Carry on :)
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Nah, I can perfectly see the relation.
