They aren't post processing like any effect or block you can add yourself after (or before) the "amp". The Kemper is almost assuredly tweaking their internal model when you change those controls.
They aren't post processing like any effect or block you can add yourself after (or before) the "amp". The Kemper is almost assuredly tweaking their internal model when you change those controls.
MirrorProfiles
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Right, but does anyone (as in users of capture tech) actually miss it? My experience of the deeper kemper parameters was essentially “how can I quickly undo this?”. If I wanted those kind of tones, I wouldn’t be using a tool to capture guitar amps as my starting point.
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Well, you could perhaps get similar results using whatever "extra" tweaking options - but I think it's a great idea to have them baked in, even if you're not using them for higher accuracy.
In fact, when I fooled around with the Kemper for some days (never owned one), I instantly wished that the definition control was something other modelers would offer as well. It's just a great means to alter playing feel, no matter whether it results in more or less accuracy.
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Yes. See last reply.
Well, I don't actually "miss" it, but I wish I had more of these kinda tools available.
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I sincerely home that the new profiling method doesn't have the mid-forward tone that led me to sell the unit after buying it four times. I found the captures on Neural DSP's Quad Cortex to be more accurate.
I’m glad for the people who’ve invested in MK2 that they’re finally going to get something. Will it be world beating as many of them expect? Well, we will soon find out. I hope it’s enough of an improvement to keep those who spent money in good faith happy. I still drop in on the forum there (I haven’t posted since my temporary ban). Yesterday, one of the mods sounded even more like the kind of parent you see being awful to their kids in a supermarket and then blaming the kids for making them into a bad parent.
In the meantime, I continue to enjoy my stadium and have just seen a screenshot from NAMM which indicates Proxy is working. I don’t know how long that’ll be for a release date (might be neck and neck with Kemper mk2 profiling at this rate!) but it’s all gravy for me - I’m absolutely excited by the concept of upgrades that make it better still but I’m over the moon with the box as it is right now. Sounds better to me overall than Kemper, is tons easier to use and I’m not gigging currently so the bugs folks have found so far have been of no significant consequence to me personally. I’ve got so much in the unit I’m finding enjoyable and inspiring that I can wait for Proxy but it’s looking like I won’t have to be patient for that long :)
In the meantime, I continue to enjoy my stadium and have just seen a screenshot from NAMM which indicates Proxy is working. I don’t know how long that’ll be for a release date (might be neck and neck with Kemper mk2 profiling at this rate!) but it’s all gravy for me - I’m absolutely excited by the concept of upgrades that make it better still but I’m over the moon with the box as it is right now. Sounds better to me overall than Kemper, is tons easier to use and I’m not gigging currently so the bugs folks have found so far have been of no significant consequence to me personally. I’ve got so much in the unit I’m finding enjoyable and inspiring that I can wait for Proxy but it’s looking like I won’t have to be patient for that long :)
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Ive posted this elsewhere and a bit here .... MAJOR PRE-DISCLAIMER .... based on the very short classic rock Instagram Clip posted, the V2 Profile, through my Matrix / Celestion FX200 rig up loud sounds *nothing* like a [V1] Legacy Profile - no weird Kemper "signature tone" ... no weird Kemper "mid-range hump" ... no weird Kemper "pick attack" ... no weird Kemper "low end muck".
But as I said this is a miniscule example so there is a long way to go to really hear what its like.
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[Nathan]
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Do you have the profile or is this the provided audio?
BenIfin
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No. I bought a Player 3 months ago [ 2nd hand, mint, Level 1 only $700 AUS] so I can give V2 a try myself when its released and not rely on anyone that hates or loves V2 or hates or loves Kemper. But my very qualified comments above are just based on the 2 very short Instagram clips posted here and elsewhere.
If I don't like it - I'll just re-sell the Player and maybe take a very small hit :)
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Chocol8
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Wow, you really bought in to the marketing. Kemper is actually capturing LESS and that’s why it has the sound issues it does.
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I’m optimistic as well but only up to a point. All your effort really ‘proves’ is if you put audio of mkII rig through an internet hosted instagram post recording process played through your personal choice of amplification/cabinet etc you get results that aren’t the same as the old mkI gives you through that choice.
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True with V1 / Legacy Profiles.
But other than 2 minuscule V2 Clips, we know less than zero about how V2 will sound and feel and compare to, say, NAM and Tonex and QC etc.... especially when using any of the 30+ or so Gain/EQ Kemper Liquid Profile Stacks.
Time will tell soon-enough.
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BenIfin
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Yes and no .... from the 2 miniscule clips posted, I was comparing the Real Amp vs the V2 Profile ... and it was essentially bang-on ... but who the f*ck really knows yet ?
Regardless of playback, it was an apples to apples of the real amp vs v2 profile.
I know enough of using the KPA for years on and off and on and off ..... how the V1 stuff sounds re: the KPA signature-tone / the mid-range hump-compression / the "quirky" pick attack / the wobbly-murky low end etc....
BenIfin
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Coming to your local Kemper profiler summer 2026(?)
Ha ha ha :) .... given its now in private Public Beta, I think its no more than 6 - 8 weeks away max. ....
2dor
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Lol they really dropped the ball with the first announcement - hope they deliver this time around; legitimately curious how it fares although I did hear a slight loss of high-end still on their last showcase vid.
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I fail to understand how people are getting such bad sounds out of a Kemper. I started this digital journey when the first Headrush came out and I thought it did a pretty good job but it did have its weak points. I then bought a Helix. I thought it was good as well but not better or worse than the Headrush (although the HR is much easier and faster in dialing in the sounds). When we started recording our first album, we were in a studio with the Kemper toaster and when I recorded with that and heard it back, it was significantly better than either of the other units I've tried. The engineer said he was using MBritt profiles and I was amazed. I went out and bought a Kemper Stage and used it for many years.
Of course like a typical equipment nerd, I had to see "what else is out there". I went through many different modelers and capture devices. I tried the Boss, the Atomic, Tonex, Nux Trident, Quad Cortex, and probably some others. I got a Fractal FM3 and added the FC6 controller to it about a month later. Out of all of these, I still have the Trident because it's a great grab and go solution that is built like a tank and it sounds really friggin' good. Out of all of them, for sound and feel, still nothing even touches the Kemper. I thought the QC was actually pretty good but it was not reliable AT ALL!!
Now I have the Kemper Player, I use the MBritt profiles and I added a simple two button switch to go through the rigs and it's the absolute best. Every single show we play the FOH people always compliment my tone and ask what amp I'm using. I now use just the FM3 for a backup rig though I've never had to break it out. I can use pretty much anything I want on stage. The Kemper just works every single time.
I know people are complaining about how old the technology is. It may be old but it's beautiful. Just like a 67 Deluxe Reverb or a 1982 Marshall JCM800, there's no need to change anything really. But with the Level 3 Player, there's not much I can't do and the sound is absolutely top notch.
All these other solutions are giggable and most are very recordable. But they are not a Kemper and they don't sound and feel as good as a Kemper. That's MY story and I'm sticking to it. We'll see what happens in the next 10 years but nothing that is out there so far is going to dethrone the champ. Best of luck to you all.
Of course like a typical equipment nerd, I had to see "what else is out there". I went through many different modelers and capture devices. I tried the Boss, the Atomic, Tonex, Nux Trident, Quad Cortex, and probably some others. I got a Fractal FM3 and added the FC6 controller to it about a month later. Out of all of these, I still have the Trident because it's a great grab and go solution that is built like a tank and it sounds really friggin' good. Out of all of them, for sound and feel, still nothing even touches the Kemper. I thought the QC was actually pretty good but it was not reliable AT ALL!!
Now I have the Kemper Player, I use the MBritt profiles and I added a simple two button switch to go through the rigs and it's the absolute best. Every single show we play the FOH people always compliment my tone and ask what amp I'm using. I now use just the FM3 for a backup rig though I've never had to break it out. I can use pretty much anything I want on stage. The Kemper just works every single time.
I know people are complaining about how old the technology is. It may be old but it's beautiful. Just like a 67 Deluxe Reverb or a 1982 Marshall JCM800, there's no need to change anything really. But with the Level 3 Player, there's not much I can't do and the sound is absolutely top notch.
All these other solutions are giggable and most are very recordable. But they are not a Kemper and they don't sound and feel as good as a Kemper. That's MY story and I'm sticking to it. We'll see what happens in the next 10 years but nothing that is out there so far is going to dethrone the champ. Best of luck to you all.
This. For better or worse, Kemper is a different generation of profiler and is decidedly less "black box" than is popular today. One reductive way to look at the way Kemper does profiling is: the captures aren't as accurate but are more flexible.
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That's actually fair, if that's the case. I'd consider that an acceptable trade-off.
