Kemper Profiler MK 2

[KingsXJJ]

The variance of opinions on whether things matter or not, are audible or not or even worth measuring is pretty broad.

So all of that makes sense to me.

 

[paisleywookiee]

OneEng is a long time Kemper forum member. I found him to be respectful and charitable on that forum during the time I was on. I really don't know what on earth happened here, but Jesus.

Currently OneEng has a thread on Kemper forum about whether Kemper has aliasing, where he seems to argue it does not (not sure if he means audible or not) so I don't think he was convinced by people's arguments on TGF. I personally doubt he wants to participate here as that thread seems partly related to this one.

Saying this, I wonder whether the Kemper thread leads to CK caring more about aliasing (which clearly you are sensitive to). But it doesn't seem like many people have substantial issues with the aliasing levels of Kemper, so most likely they won't improve things on that end.

And maybe with the lack of processing power, they cannot anyway do that.

I think the overarching point of this thread was that a lot of people thought the concept of the Kemper was/is cool, but were, for whatever personal reason, dissatisfied with the quality of the profiles, UI, misc. features, etc. Therefore, with a "MkII", we were hoping they'd get with the ToneX/NAM/Quad Cortex program, and have A. a much better capture quality, possibly using ML, and B. have a lot better of a UI. They seem to have failed on both counts, at least as it applies to internal to the device.

When you get some asshat like OneEng:

1. looking down on people for their social/financial status
2. questioning where/when/what someone got their degree in

I officially think they're an arrogant, pompous piece of shit. Plain and simple.

 

[Chocol8]

The issue with Kemper MKII was simply that they had fallen behind in a number of areas, and then MKII finally comes and it offers nothing more than virtually identical hardware and some vague promises of a future update. They would have been better off doing nothing for another year or two, until they could develop SOMETHING to make it an actual update and not a paint refresh.

 

[Gary_W]

The issue with Kemper MKII was simply that they had fallen behind in a number of areas, and then MKII finally comes and it offers nothing more than virtually identical hardware and some vague promises of a future update. They would have been better off doing nothing for another year or two, until they could develop SOMETHING to make it an actual update and not a paint refresh.

Sad to say I agree - I hope they’re able to pull something impressive out of the bag as, even if you’re not a fan, competition in the sector is good for everyone in the end.

They’ve had a past history of going dark / being terrible communicators and then coming out with something that has been a worthwhile free update. What they’ve delivered has always been better than expected IMO. I’m hopeful that the new profiling they bring out will also be better than expected - although I’m jumping ship (I’m tempted by useful features elsewhere), I wish them well and hope they over-deliver…. I think a lot of loyal users are expecting that. If they don’t blow everyone away in terms of what’s possible with capture tech then there isn’t much else to get excited about on there. There’s quite a few folks who have already upgraded from a Mk1 to a Mk2 so I hope for their sakes it’s awesome….. waiting in the dark for an impressive free update is one thing but waiting in the dark nervously after paying for new (seemingly vintage) hardware is not ideal. Although I’ve been a fan for years, the night and day communications / marketing campaign difference between their vow of silence when asked direct questions and line 6 is astonishing. I’m know that’s their style but I wish it wasn’t.

 

[Dimiguitar]

When you get some asshat like OneEng:

1. looking down on people for their social/financial status

That's quite sad if it happened, that people use finances and social status as a barometer for anything.

 

[BenIfin]

I might be an outlier here ..... but *if* the new Kemper Profiling produces results as good as if not better than NAM ...... that would be a pretty compelling upgrade in my mind.

It never was / never will be a Fractal or Helix ... that's not their "goal" ..... they just have zero interest or desire to play that game.

But until we know more, it is a big if.

 

[Fireproof]

OneEng is a long time Kemper forum member. I found him to be respectful and charitable on that forum during the time I was on. I really don't know what on earth happened here, but Jesus.

Currently OneEng has a thread on Kemper forum about whether Kemper has aliasing, where he seems to argue it does not (not sure if he means audible or not) so I don't think he was convinced by people's arguments on TGF. I personally doubt he wants to participate here as that thread seems partly related to this one.

Saying this, I wonder whether the Kemper thread leads to CK caring more about aliasing (which clearly you are sensitive to). But it doesn't seem like many people have substantial issues with the aliasing levels of Kemper, so most likely they won't improve things on that end.

And maybe with the lack of processing power, they cannot anyway do that.

But is he an engineer??

 

[Mikael Dez]

You can go fuck yourself. Stick that little dick wiener of yours right up your ass and just lay the fuck off. That goes for the rest of the assholes in here as well.

It's clear that you don't understand a great deal about a great many things. That's fine, stick with the click here where you can say ridiculous things because there happens to be a group that agrees with the same nonsense. If my retorts to juvenile posts bother you, try berating the idiots that start the altercations. You seem to be very interested in every statement I have ever made, and very uninterested in the discussion and abuse that lead up to those statements.


Thanks for the mostly reasonable reply.

It isn't "a little rough". It is intentionally brash and disrespectful. Perhaps you should be providing a little guidance to others. Shoot, DrewJD82 let Orvillian thrash him publicly and backed off like a whipped puppy. I actually felt bad for the guy.

I don't mind playing the rough game as well. I have some pretty good thick skin and have delt with a lot more crap than this little horde of infants can dish out. Perhaps I simply was too polite for too long?

There are plenty of posts where members here have blatantly baited me to respond. I didn't see any intervention then. Were you sleeping? Well, I guess I should be responding to all these little minds a bit more aggressively. Lord knows I have been patient enough.

I do like a good intelligent discussion. That isn't what goes on here very often though. A good ole fashioned pissing contest can be fun too. That seems to be more the speed of this forum. Trash talk and mob mentality.

I would point out that your own mod "stirred" this pot when he should be attempting to maintain some type of civility in the discussions. It's a shame really. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would prefer a more cerebral discussion. This just aint that kinda place.

Idk if you’re here but I’m sure you’re lurking. You are fuckin unhinged my dude

(did they teach you to act like a twat in the Navy? )

 

[Mikael Dez]

Pretty sure we don’t ban here lol.

Sometimes it happens but you have to be major fuck lol

 

[Frodebro]

Yep, after letting out a string of curses and insults, telling The Colonel he should be guiding morality here and ended with some shit about a more “cerebral discussion” I guess he went to go find that cerebral discussion. Or his drummer finally got sick of playing a fucking e-kit and beat him with it.

That was a pretty epic meltdown, you have to admit.

 

[DrewJD82]

Why is pipelineaudio gone, btw?

I forgot all about this and it was barely 2 months ago.

He got Discouraged (1 of the 3x we've used that option) for being a dipshit. He then went to RigTalk and told everyone we banned him because he dropped too many facts on us and we're anti-science.

I decided to call him on his BS, which you can read here- https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/threads/got-a-temp-ban-on-tgp.331829/post-4459142

He then somehow mentally gymnastic'd himself into this-

Thread for RevDrucifer to tell us how to turn down a guitar amplifier using a mixing console

@RevDrucifer has backed the claim that proper mixing techniques can turn down the SPL coming out of a guitar amp just by using the proper mixing techniques. Since I own a music school that frequently has to cover these topics, I am all ears to learn this new technique and pass it onto our...

www.rig-talk.com

One of the better displays of dumbassery I've seen on the internet yet. I had nothing to do with that thread he was "dropping science" in, I was just calling BS on him being banned as we never banned him and he went off the rails for about a day. I never said a word about any claims related to that thread.

 

[Frodebro]

 

[LP59]

The issue with Kemper MKII was simply that they had fallen behind in a number of areas, and then MKII finally comes and it offers nothing more than virtually identical hardware and some vague promises of a future update. They would have been better off doing nothing for another year or two, until they could develop SOMETHING to make it an actual update and not a paint refresh.

That would have been better, no doubt. After watching things unfold though, I suspect this is the situation:

1) They could no longer produce the Mk1 because the old design relied on components they could no longer obtain. That forced them to come out with the Mk2 now.
2) Their product is tightly coupled to the current architecture. The software cannot run on another processor, so they can't upgrade the hardware. Because the software can only run on that ancient processor, they cannot make substantial changes to the software.

That fits the facts of what has transpired, so it looks to me like they are locked into a "It is what it is" situation. But who knows, maybe the new profiling will be impressive. Even if they achieve NAM-level of accuracy though, it's a lack of all the other features that is causing them to lose market share. So I don't see how new profiling can move the needle much, no matter how good it is.

 

[Frodebro]

That would have been better, no doubt. After watching things unfold though, I suspect this is the situation:

1) They could no longer produce the Mk1 because the old design relied on components they could no longer obtain. That forced them to come out with the Mk2 now.
2) Their product is tightly coupled to the current architecture. The software cannot run on another processor, so they can't upgrade the hardware. Because the software can only run on that ancient processor, they cannot make substantial changes to the software.

That fits the facts of what has transpired, so it looks to me like they are locked into a "It is what it is" situation. But who knows, maybe the new profiling will be impressive. Even if they achieve NAM-level of accuracy though, it's a lack of all the other features that is causing them to lose market share. So I don't see how new profiling can move the needle much, no matter how good it is.

Makes a lot of sense. Christoph planned for an extremely long life with the original toaster, and has seemed a bit stubborn about changing anything.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Makes a lot of sense. Christoph planned for an extremely long life with the original toaster, and has seemed a bit stubborn about changing anything.

He comes across arrogant AF.

 

[Frodebro]

He comes across arrogant AF.

Hard to say, Germans can come across that way if you’re not used to their very direct approach. But I do think that he was not planning on needing a Plan B for quite some time longer.

 

[Sascha Franck]

He then somehow mentally gymnastic'd himself into this-

My-oh-my. Anyhow, thanks for the clarification.

 

[Sascha Franck]

1) They could no longer produce the Mk1 because the old design relied on components they could no longer obtain. That forced them to come out with the Mk2 now.
2) Their product is tightly coupled to the current architecture. The software cannot run on another processor, so they can't upgrade the hardware. Because the software can only run on that ancient processor, they cannot make substantial changes to the software.

That seems kinda plausible.
However, even if it's like that, they had plenty of time to come up with either a completely rewritten (or adapted) code or go for something entirely new.
I mean, all personal things regarding Mr. Kemper himself aside, the guy certainly knows a thing or two about musical instruments software. So it's pretty unlikely that he couldn't kinda foresee the situation and possibly come up with alternate strategies. Which is what makes all of this so weird. I mean, pretty much everybody, even some of the most loyal KPA users are shaking their heads about that kinda "upgrade".

 

[LP59]

That seems kinda plausible.
However, even if it's like that, they had plenty of time to come up with either a completely rewritten (or adapted) code or go for something entirely new.
I mean, all personal things regarding Mr. Kemper himself aside, the guy certainly knows a thing or two about musical instruments software. So it's pretty unlikely that he couldn't kinda foresee the situation and possibly come up with alternate strategies. Which is what makes all of this so weird. I mean, pretty much everybody, even some of the most loyal KPA users are shaking their heads about that kinda "upgrade".

I'm sure you're right, but they had no competition in the profiling market for years. That breeds complacency.

No matter how he got into this spot, he's probably taking the right strategy. If you can't improve your product, just ride your reputation and sell what you have for as long as you can. That's basically what he did with the Virus. There never was a second generation with a new architecture.

 

[Lysander]

No matter how he got into this spot, he's probably taking the right strategy. If you can't improve your product, just ride your reputation and sell what you have for as long as you can.

Look, we just don't know. Christoph Kemper is a very smart guy and fully capable of developing a new "next gen" product - maybe they plan to? Or maybe they deem the Profiler a complete product as it is, and have no interest on pushing it forward.

Thing is, the MKII is definitely not a successor. From what little we know, it's the 10+ year old Kemper design with a facelift.