Kemper Profiler MK 2

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LP59 said:
That sounds like a good setup for you. I was referring to lack of a hold function on the Player. On the FM3, the hold feature allows you to freely assign any 6 functions to the three switches. By using one of those for a mode switch, you can get far more than 6 functions out of the three switches. The Player is designed to be easy to set up the switches, but the FM3 is designed to give you a lot of options. And there's the scribble strip lack on the Player. You need a cheat sheet to figure out what you have loaded.
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Yes, FM3 foots witch assignments are awesome. I have my FM3 set to get to all 8 scenes with just three foot switches using press and hold. Love it! I noticed more gaps with the FM3 compared to Kemper but that could just be due to the signal chain. Cant go wrong either way!
 
OneEng said:
  • Kemper has no noticeable delay between rig changes in performance mode (~15-20mSec last time I measured mine).
  • Kemper tone does not change when firmware is updated
  • Foot controller is exactly the right combination of small, and functional
  • Rack version with a single Ethercon connector to both communicate and power the foot controller is perfect for gigging.
  • The ease of creating a specific sound heard on a specific song is industry leading
  • Kemper is physically built like a brick shit house.
  • Kemper Rack is small enough to fit in a shallow 3 space rack
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  • Kemper has no noticeable delay between rig changes in performance mode (~15-20mSec last time I measured mine). - Fractal has gapless preset switching. You could use 5 presets (or more) the same as you could in your Kemper performance and still use 8 scenes within each one. Footswitch layout links could automatically change the footswitch view to whatever you wanted once you changed presets

  • Kemper tone does not change when firmware is updated - uh I guess? The most extreme changes I’ve heard between updates would be less than changing tubes in an amp.

  • Foot controller is exactly the right combination of small, and functional - fractal footswitching layouts, layout links, holds, per preset, etc are so far ahead of Kempers options it’s laughable. Also have the choice of two sizes and can use more than 1 or combinations of each (FC6 and FC12)

  • Rack version with a single Ethercon connector to both communicate and power the foot controller is perfect for gigging. - every fractal unit has the same thing with faslink. Although it uses any off the shelf XLR cable which would be far more common to find if needed at a gig than an ethercon cable.

  • The ease of creating a specific sound heard on a specific song is industry leading - is it? Says who? I would think having all of the amps and effects already in the device (which are far more vast than Kemper) would be a lot easier to recreate any song. Same with pulling up one of the hundreds of amps and instantly dialling it in or using tone match vs looking through lists of profiles or having to download them if you didn’t have one. Dyna cabs is much faster to get a sound by moving a mic than scrolling IR’s

  • Kemper is physically built like a brick shit house. Having owned both I think fractal is ahead but Kemper is also very good there so I’ll call it a draw

  • Kemper Rack is small enough to fit in a shallow 3 space rack - so is fractal.

I sound like a huge fractal fanboy and I’m not. They’re all just tools and I own both, I’m just refuting the comment you keep making about how Kemper is way ahead for certain situations and it just seems like it’s more what you’re familiar with and enjoy than actually being true, which is fine.
 
OneEng said:
Kemper tone does not change when firmware is updated
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LP59 said:
The tone not changing when the firmware is updated is a strength of Kemper, I'll give you that.
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I understand that the need to adjust things due to certain firmware updates may be a bit annoying.

But my take on this is almost the opposite:

One of the best things with Fractal products (and some others) is that the tech/modeling - and thus sound - has been improved a lot over time with firmware updates, in addition to bug fixes and also new functionality being added. I WANT THIS! The upside far exceeds the hassle imo. And you can of course choose when to update, ie not the night before a gig etc.
 
I can't get my FM3 Turbo to do gapless preset switching unless the signal chains are exactly the same. Never had that issue with any Kemper products. No gaps, no matter what. Could just be me, though! :-)
 
OneEng said:
The ease of creating a specific sound heard on a specific song is industry leading
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Interestingly enough, that was a core reason I switched from Kemper to fractal for most uses. I could get the sounds I wanted out of the fractal much faster. With Kemper, I'd either have to profile stuff myself, which wasn't the most convenient for me, or hope I'll find a profile that fits. The later was often a fruitless Pokemon hunt.

I felt the same way with tonex (which I use these days, the small one, so convenient). Other people's profiles are often a dead end with some exceptions. And even if there's good profiles to find, it typically takes me much longer than firing up the fm3 and dialing in desired tones.

But 1) this is my experience and many like you don't share it. You have a lot more success in finding profiles that fit your tastes, needs, guitars, tunings, pickups. It would be silly for me to dismiss this as irrelevant. Clearly Kemper and capture based devices work "faster" for some people, whatever the reasons are.

2) Since the time I used Kemper regularly, they've introduced liquid profiling. I don't own Kemper anymore but have access to one if I need to. I really like the combination of modelled tone stacks and profiles, especially because of the hardware EQ knobs on the toaster. Makes profiles much more flexible and I enjoy the amp-like tone stack hardware interface. And there's less of a need to shoot as many profiles as I typically would.

3) Part of the reason why I get good results with fractal as fast is because I know the amp Sims fairly well, as well as the real amps they model. That definitely took time and is easy to forget about, thinking it was always as intuitive for me as it is now -- which isn't true. And then there's also the IR hunt or dynacab tweaking.
 
Richard_G said:
I understand that the need to adjust things due to certain firmware updates may be a bit annoying.

But my take on this is almost the opposite:

One of the best things with Fractal products (and some others) is that the tech/modeling - and thus sound - has been improved a lot over time with firmware updates, in addition to bug fixes and also new functionality being added. I WANT THIS! The upside far exceeds the hassle imo. And you can of course choose when to update, ie not the night before a gig etc.
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It's not either/or. Offering versions of the models gives you the best of both. It's not as easy as simply throwing away the old model every time, but it can be done.
 
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