Kemper Profiler MK 2

This sounds rushed and kinda confusing. The design of the toaster and stage are extremely dated and really both ugly as hell. Why not at least make some minor improvements to modernize them a bit?

Seems like a major missed opportunity to me
 
This sounds rushed and kinda confusing. The design of the toaster and stage are extremely dated and really both ugly as hell. Why not at least make some minor improvements to modernize them a bit?

Seems like a major missed opportunity to me

Very rushed. No marketing plan at all that I can see. Just a 37 second video and a confusing web page.

They are between a rock and a hard place. Their crown jewels, the profiling capturing/playback code, is tied to an aged DSP chip, so their upgrade options are limited. If I had to guess, I'd say they believe someone (Line6?) is about to come out with a Kemper-killer and they needed to start shipping something new now, even though it wasn't ready.
 
Or it could be the unit was redesigned and there's not enough old stock left, so they had to rush out the new hardware without the software fully finished.

I will say this, at least when Kemper announces a product it's available immediately. A lot of other companies make the announcement and then nothing for months.
 
Or it could be the unit was redesigned and there's not enough old stock left, so they had to rush out the new hardware without the software fully finished.

I will say this, at least when Kemper announces a product it's available immediately. A lot of other companies make the announcement and then nothing for months.
Or I wonder if the timing could be they know a competitor is going to release something this summer so that want to give people a reason to maybe pause and hold off a purchase
Which means they obviously have never been here
 
They are between a rock and a hard place. Their crown jewels, the profiling capturing/playback code, is tied to an aged DSP chip, so their upgrade options are limited

If only they had time to plan for this, similar to how I had a kid around the same time, who’s now going to be a sophomore in high school. I was completely blindsided when I learned he will be driving soon. 🤣
 
I will say this, at least when Kemper announces a product it's available immediately. A lot of other companies make the announcement and then nothing for months.
Isn't that exactly what Kemper has just done? The whole point of the Mk2 is to run the new profiling, which has been announced, but will not be available for months.
 
Never said you were a wonk. It’s in the thread somewhere that it’s been confirmed the Player will profile with the update, WITH a computer though. No idea about the IO constraints.
didn't think you called me a wonk literally or unintentionally. I've owned or tried almost every major digital modeler and can have fun with most of them. AXE3 is my main studio beast, had an FM3, flipped that, had a full Ritter powered Kemper toaster w/ twin Kones for years, but sold that to a buddy and bought a Player for the portability(yes, I maxed it out, because I could). Tried Headrush, NuX, Still have a Tonex big pedal. I like options.
But I go back to early Yamaha DG stuff, 1st gen POD, Rocktron early rack stuff(Pirahna!) Digitech GSP1101.
Everything we have now is light years ahead of were we came from.
 
If only they had time to plan for this, similar to how I had a kid around the same time, who’s now going to be a sophomore in high school. I was completely blindsided when I learned he will be driving soon. 🤣

Pro tip - get him driving as much as possible! Ours didn't get nearly enough time and now he's 16 and still hasn't gone on the freeway. Unfortunately we have so many activities for the other kids we don't have time to take him out, and his mom has never taken him driving either.
 
didn't think you called me a wonk literally or unintentionally. I've owned or tried almost every major digital modeler and can have fun with most of them. AXE3 is my main studio beast, had an FM3, flipped that, had a full Ritter powered Kemper toaster w/ twin Kones for years, but sold that to a buddy and bought a Player for the portability(yes, I maxed it out, because I could). Tried Headrush, NuX, Still have a Tonex big pedal. I like options.
But I go back to early Yamaha DG stuff, 1st gen POD, Rocktron early rack stuff(Pirahna!) Digitech GSP1101.
Everything we have now is light years ahead of were we came from.

Hey. You brought up wonk. Not me. 😉
 
I don’t think they’re lying. I think they believe what they’re gonna release is amazing. But seeing as how I don’t like how the Kemper sounds now, I remain skeptical of how good the new stuff will sound.
I agree. The real question is how much different this new profiling is. I also don’t really like the current profiling it does. It’s way behind almost every other device that does similar. But regardless, the hardware is still crappy MKII or not.
 
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This sounds rushed and kinda confusing. The design of the toaster and stage are extremely dated and really both ugly as hell. Why not at least make some minor improvements to modernize them a bit?

Seems like a major missed opportunity to me

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When you an STFT over an audio signal, you're sliding a window across the data and converting from the time domain to the frequency domain. If you also extract the phase information, you end up with magnitude and phase data for each frequency bin.

So it will account for any existing phase relationships.

However, the STFT can introduce a phenomenon known as FFT smearing, which is essentially a loss of time or frequency resolution due to the fixed size of the window. This is a result of the time-frequency trade-off, whereby a narrower window gives you better time resolution but worse frequency resolution, and vice versa.

You can tackle this by choosing an appropriate window size for your signal, by having an overlap of each window to reduce discontinuities, changing your window type (Hann versus Blackman-Harris for example), or more advanced multi-resolution techniques; like Wavelet analysis.

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Thanks.
The processor on the Player is like 200 MHz while the old one was something <100 MHz. While this might seem like a huge upgrade...it shouldn't really make a difference for anything but faster boot time and more responsive GUI. We are still talking about a chip that is less capable than what you find in a Tonex One.

If the DSP is the same, why can't it run those new profiles on the MK1 hardware too at the same quality? That's what's confusing to me.
First, the Mhz don't always tell the whole story (rarely), and a much faster boot time IS actually a nice upgrade; however, since the DSP is the same I can find NO reason that MK1 cant run the new profiles.
This launch is total gobshite, whatever anyone says. Basic information is just not obtainable.

You don't "soft launch" hardware. You simply don't do it.
Not sure about your definition of "soft launch" as they actually have the unit on sale. Generally I have considered that term used when you market launch a product with limited or no actual supply.

Still, I get what you are saying.
6 months from now when you can unlock MkII profiles for your MkI for the low price of $250. So many times the internet reminds really smart people can say stuff that means absolutely nothing, lol.
Not that I intend to start profiling; however, I would likely pay that without blinking in order to fully utilize the new profiles created by others on their MK2.

I am afraid that Kemper might well charge more than that though. Every time I have gauged the market and thought they would come in at $X, they ended up at $X*1.4. In this case $350!
So the answer to question about why the DSP chips in the devices being the same only the CPU chip was upgraded is as I thought, they are doing a hybrid process and like TONEX and NAM the extra work is off loaded to an out board CPU.
Not sure of this. It is possible, but it seems a bit disjointed. Still, it might be so.

So in this case, you would gather and record the capture on the device, copy it up to a cloud service that would then crunch it into a profile, then send it back to the device.

That actually seems very plausible. If that is what they are doing, then it would be completely reasonable to expect that they could create a profile that was very accurate.

The current DSP is good enough to create the Kemper profiling as we know it and the effects and processing sound. Is it possible by increasing the onboard CPU, as they have now done, to enable the incorporation of an outboard CPU to add quality? Some kind of hybrid process that makes the Kemper results remarkably better than it was?

I don’t think they have done this knowing it’s really just some new effects blocks, better boot time and black paint. That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Might be fun for some people to say it’s what they have done but some people do and say all kinds of ridiculous stuff just to troll forums. It is how the fanbois fight, safe behind a keyboard in moms basement
I don't think anything they have done to the hardware has enabled ANYTHING except faster boot times and better USB connectivity.

If they are indeed using off-device resources to actually do the profile, then they have everything they need to increase their CPU power by a factor of 10000.

Since the DSP has not changed, I also believe that the MK1 will be hardware capable of running the new profiles at full resolution as well..... if they allow it.
 
Thanks.

First, the Mhz don't always tell the whole story (rarely), and a much faster boot time IS actually a nice upgrade; however, since the DSP is the same I can find NO reason that MK1 cant run the new profiles.

Not sure about your definition of "soft launch" as they actually have the unit on sale. Generally I have considered that term used when you market launch a product with limited or no actual supply.

Still, I get what you are saying.

Not that I intend to start profiling; however, I would likely pay that without blinking in order to fully utilize the new profiles created by others on their MK2.

I am afraid that Kemper might well charge more than that though. Every time I have gauged the market and thought they would come in at $X, they ended up at $X*1.4. In this case $350!

Not sure of this. It is possible, but it seems a bit disjointed. Still, it might be so.

So in this case, you would gather and record the capture on the device, copy it up to a cloud service that would then crunch it into a profile, then send it back to the device.

That actually seems very plausible. If that is what they are doing, then it would be completely reasonable to expect that they could create a profile that was very accurate.


I don't think anything they have done to the hardware has enabled ANYTHING except faster boot times and better USB connectivity.

If they are indeed using off-device resources to actually do the profile, then they have everything they need to increase their CPU power by a factor of 10000.

Since the DSP has not changed, I also believe that the MK1 will be hardware capable of running the new profiles at full resolution as well..... if they allow it.

EE / Wonk
 
I'd say they believe someone (Line6?) is about to come out with a Kemper-killer and they needed to start shipping something new now, even though it wasn't ready.
I’d say this is their answer to the NAM/QC/Tonex offerings. Just years too late and not enough. You won’t see anything from Line6 or Fractal.
 
This sounds rushed and kinda confusing. The design of the toaster and stage are extremely dated and really both ugly as hell. Why not at least make some minor improvements to modernize them a bit?

Seems like a major missed opportunity to me
It's a good question. I don't think this is a hardware redesign at all. Plopping in a new DIMM slot card with an updated application CPU is hardly anything that could be considered a "redesign".

It is VERY possible that by using a "record-transfer-process-transfer" process to either the web or the PC, Kemper could create a radically more accurate profile. The new hardware wasn't NEEDED for this though.
Or it could be the unit was redesigned and there's not enough old stock left, so they had to rush out the new hardware without the software fully finished.
Possibly. Still the majority of the parts are the same. Just the application CPU has changed.

Has anyone looked up the old application processor to see if it is EOL?
Or I wonder if the timing could be they know a competitor is going to release something this summer so that want to give people a reason to maybe pause and hold off a purchase
Which means they obviously have never been here
Good guess. Kemper seems to march to its own drum though.
But I go back to early Yamaha DG stuff, 1st gen POD, Rocktron early rack stuff(Pirahna!) Digitech GSP1101.
Everything we have now is light years ahead of were we came from.
Loved my RP2120. There was a guy that made a GUI that interfaced to it through MIDI. Pretty advanced for the 90's :).
I agree. The real question is how much different this new profiling is. I also don’t really like the current profiling it does. It’s way behind almost every other device that does simile .But regardless, the hardware is still crappy MKII or not.
If they are promising the most accurate, I tend to believe they will deliver.

I personally don't mind the unit's outdated interface; however, from a product management standpoint, I think they would have wanted to update it.

My current bet is that Kemper has calculated that the majority of MK1 users would purchase a paid update to be able to play better sounding profiles .... or just to stay up to date with the latest improvements going forward. The revenue from all those MK1 users at $200-$400 a pop with no COGS makes a pretty financial picture.

In the process, they get rid of an obsolete part and improve the startup time dramatically.
 
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