Chocol8
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This is a huge fail. Tweaking a new capture shouldn't be necessary to get it to sound right in 2026.
This is a huge fail. Tweaking a new capture shouldn't be necessary to get it to sound right in 2026.
Kemper mk1 never gave a first pass perfect profile to my understanding. In the past, your inability to get good results would have been chalked up to your own lack of refining ability.
Mk2 has evidently gotten much better without the silly need for refining.
All of this is really only important to people who actually profile. Certainly one could argue that this is the primary purpose of the unit, but at least in my case and all of the people I know who also use a kemper (4 others), having access to great profiles that can be adjusted to achieve the sound we want for different songs is the most important thing.... Not accuracy.
I think the best thing that will come from V2 for me is a big fat batch of new profile packs made with the latest effects and liquid profiling.
I wonder, based on the fact that the vast majority of potential customers for V2 profiles are MK1 owners, if the new fixed effects will be left unused.
I'll definitely be buying the new MBRITT packs when they are ready.
BenIfin
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Agreed.
I bought my Player nearly 6 months ago as I though V2 was imminent - back them - it still remains boxed up and on old firmware and not turned on..
I wont be turning in it on until Michael drops some new 2.0 Liquid Profile Packs - they are the only "test" for V2 that I am interested in.
If my ears and hands like what they hear and feel I'll give it a red-hot go ... if its ok / just a bit better than V1 / meh ... back on Facebook Market Place it goes.
MirrorProfiles
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why’s that?
Would you be better off judging whether V2 is any good by making your own models?
Very hard to seperate preferences from an actual improvement if you are relying on someone else’s captures.
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BenIfin
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Fair points. To explain.
I haven't had any real tube amps for over 10 years - so nothing to profile. My last real Amp was a Ceriatone DC30 Clone - I never played a real DC 30 but man that clone was a stunning amp.
I was on a MK1 KPA for several gigging years with MB's original Packs and they were the thing that made me keep the Kemper - I nearly sold it 2 - 3 months after I bought it because every free and paid for Profile I bought at the time sounded like shit. I bought his 1st pack as a bit of a last roll of the dice .. and I finally "got it"
To my ears, his profiles sounded exactly like how I would have liked to have my own amps sound. Fender Dlx, AC30 / DC30, mid-gain Marshall - nothing fancy - just the meat and potatoes basics and I'm good.
Copy accuracy for me is not a big priority as I don't have any of my own Amps that I am trying to digitize - if I were, I'd go NAM ... or maybe keep Tonex.
I know some people don't like or gel with his Profiles, but to me, he has a proven track record of making the MK1 sound brilliant to me.
I used the MK1 and only the MB profiles for years. I have no doubt he will deliver the goods on his MK2 Liquid Profile Packs. The way he sets the Amps and the [basic] Cab's he uses and how he mikes and "records" them is "music to my ears" ..... he's not a "metal-head" either which a *lot* of Profile and Capture makers *seem* to be .... so for me, finding a tone I like from his stuff is ridiculously quick
Will the same amp-profile on V2 sound and feel better than V1 ? I wont personally be able to do an A/B so I personally wont know
I will say though that its inconceivable to me that V2 wouldn't be better than V1 ... by how much ? I persoanlly wont know. But in this respect I "trust" Kemper.
But the test for me is very simple - if to me, it sounds and feels better than my current rig, which I have been using live for months, I'll give it a red-hot go. If its the "same" or not "better" or "worse" than my current Rig - it'll go straight back to FB Market Place in a heartbeat.
Even sold my HX Stomp - heresy - and Tonex gone - and my FM3 has been collecting dust for months
Despite what some people may think, I have literally less than zero gear or company allegiance .... as in none. I've bought, used and then sold each and every major platform multiple [too many] times .... with one exception
If NDSP made the QC the clear and absolutely best unit on the market by a mile .... and its superiority in every respect was beyond objective doubt - I still would never buy one, such is my level of despising and disdain for NDSP and how they operate.
Some things are more important than the "best" guitar tones !
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Fair one.
But... I still don´t get why so much hate for NDSP (which I can more or less understand) and still thinking Kemper did any better with all their paid tier levels with the player or all the BS around the V2 hardware that is almost exactly the V1 one. Now, that´s ugly business strategy. Much uglier than NDSP one, IMO.
BenIfin
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BenIfin
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Cant argue with any of this and I wont.
I don't think though they are anywhere near how NDSP was / are - just my personal view. My disdain for NDSP is not logical or rational .... I totally concede this ..... but to me, it just is what it is, and it aint going to change
Jarick
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As someone who bought pretty much all of MBritts Kemper packs including the one he released a few months back honestly I think they’re overrated. The gain tones are extremely hit or miss and the clean tones all sound the same. Basically it’s kind of an exaggeration of the Kemper V1 sound.
However it will be interesting to hear what he does with V2 profiles because it should in theory open up the midrange and add more depth and clarity.
I wish he’d do some Tonex stuff because I’d like to hear his take on another system.
However it will be interesting to hear what he does with V2 profiles because it should in theory open up the midrange and add more depth and clarity.
I wish he’d do some Tonex stuff because I’d like to hear his take on another system.
SillyOctpuss
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I've shit-talked Neural probably more than anyone at this point. But I'm bordering on selling my Stadium and moving back to Quad Cortex.
Will this be the third or fourth time?
Actually... I´m quite happy with NDSP. As a customer, I´ve always felt supported. They´ve updated the Nano with a good pace, and they´ve always replied me when I´ve contacted them. They even sent me a form, survey-like, with questions about the product, asking for opinions, evaluations of the features, and accepting suggestions.
I think Kemper is doing MUCH WORSE, and even so I wouldn´t say I´ll never buy anything from them, If they had a better unit than NDSP ones, I could perfectly buy one, despite of the shitty show they are doing lately.
So, in the end, I find it almost comic that anyone says "I´ll never buy anything from NDSP", and even more when it´s said by someone buying Kemper...
I think Kemper is doing MUCH WORSE, and even so I wouldn´t say I´ll never buy anything from them, If they had a better unit than NDSP ones, I could perfectly buy one, despite of the shitty show they are doing lately.
So, in the end, I find it almost comic that anyone says "I´ll never buy anything from NDSP", and even more when it´s said by someone buying Kemper...
MirrorProfiles
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On one hand I understand your position, but on another you seem to be putting a lot of blind faith in several places. You're trusting that either Michael Britt will dial an amp exactly how you like it, or that you are going to immediately like what he does before you know what it is. Not unfeasible by any stretch but it's also quite a low ceiling for something that is PERFECT for you, in my opinion. Either way, its casting a wide net and very luck driven.
There's also the assumption that the profiling with V2 will somehow align with what you are looking for - was there something wrong with what you heard on previous models that was holding you back, that you think V2 will fix? Is it clear that the "improvements" are consistent in a reliable way, or do they vary model to model? Without a reference amp or like for like profiles, how can you even tell? what if they are both different to the real thing in different ways? How can you reach any kind of conclusion there?
Given your other threads and posts on topics like aliasing, I'm somewhat perplexed how the hair splitting can be so critical there and yet it doesn't seem to be a factor with using a Kemper, or the fact that you're quite happy to just use someone else's captures and call it a day. IMO those micro differences and small details matter to you, or they really don't. You clearly care about the fidelity and quality of the tone to some extent to be experimenting with these different platforms and asking the questions, but I can't really make sense of your position on it.
Honestly, this is very peculiar to me, I'm not totally sure what they've done to you to warrant that kind of feeling. I've been a customer of Kemper, Fractal, NDSP, Line 6 and a ton of others and that feeling of hatred doesn't add up at all here. But maybe there's something else that I dont know that is a factor.
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haha, it would be the 3rd. I'm not 100% sure yet.... Stadium has a lot of cool shit going for it.... I just feel like there's odd things with the amp modelling that I find hard to describe... but when compared to a real amp.... I dunno man.
MirrorProfiles
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I always struggled with his cab/speaker choice. Went in with high expectations based on what "THE PUBLIC" said about them but just couldn't vibe with any of them. Just goes to show how personal all this kind of stuff is (which IMO, gets amplified on full rig models where you're very much stuck with what's served to you).
Jarick
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I love the approach (use the same cab for consistency) but maybe the Lead 80 speaker isn't my favorite. Also, I preferred his early gain tones like the Fried A-Hole and Dirty Laverne, even though they were dark sounding and woofy, they could be tweaked to sound decent. His later ones all had more annoying midrange like they either had a tube screamer stuck on or some kind of harsh frequency boost.
I bought some MBritts back in the days of my Amplifire 12. I liked them, but at the same time didn´t 100% for my needs. I always tweaked them, or altered them (sometimes A LOT). In not much time, I ended up not using them at all. But obviously, personal tastes are everything in these situations.
SillyOctpuss
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I get it. I got caught up in the hype and thought I wanted a stadium but I know it's not really for me. I haven't used amp modelling in ages so if I buy another modeller it will be 99% for the effects. There's not enough new things in stadium to tempt me yet.
JiveTurkey
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If I was playing Summer of 69 all night long; they'd work great. Oh wait; I am
