It's a live guitarist's responsibility to have a good tone?

[spawnofthesith]

It's definitely the guitarists responsibility, but that doesn't make it also not the sound guys responsibility, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The less he has to focus on you the more he can focus on the overall mix which is what's most important though

 

[spawnofthesith]

This conversation also ties in in an interesting way to the "what you play and how your tone sounds doesn't matter because the audience can't tell anyway" crowd/discussion

 

[HotRats]

It's definitely the guitarists responsibility, but that doesn't make it also not the sound guys responsibility, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. The less he has to focus on you the more he can focus on the overall mix which is what's most important though

Absolutely. I'm sure we all attended or, even worst, played gigs where the sound man made everything sound worse.

We are lucky that we can have a lot of control over our sound these days.

I'm lucky in not a drummer (I'd love to be a drummer, actually), too many times I've seen local bands where the music called for a warm and rounded drum sound but the sounded decided to go for the standard rock/metal cliche with super loud and compressed kick.

This conversation also ties in in an interesting way to the "what you play and how your tone sounds doesn't matter because the audience can't tell anyway" crowd/discussion

That's a difficult discussion because there's some truth in that statement.

Last saturday I was stage side waiting for our turn to play and I listened to the great acoustic duo that was on stage. I mean really great.

The guitar player was phenomenal and the singer really good. I enjoyed every second of it, even if in my spot the mix was obviously all over the place.

While there I thought that when the performance is that good it works anyway.

 

[unix-guy]

In my experience modellers/profilers made thing worse for some players, because the availability of all the options, the possibility to have a different amps for each song or even song section require much more discipline collared to a traditional analogue rig.

Conversely, I've found that using a modeler makes for a much more consistent sound every time...

But I tend to use single preset with the same IR and usually the same amp model (or sometimes two) for a whole set.

 

[HotRats]

Conversely, I've found that using a modeler makes for a much more consistent sound every time...

But I tend to use single preset with the same IR and usually the same amp model (or sometimes two) for a whole set.

Yes 100%.
I use my helix that way for gigs and I use the two notes cab m+ with my analog rig for the same reason. I much prefer a virtual cab than a random mic in front of my cab.

 

[Sascha Franck]

But I tend to use single preset with the same IR and usually the same amp model (or sometimes two) for a whole set.

I do usually use 2 different amps (clean and dirt), but I'm basically running them through the same IR (just that I have some very light EQ-ing baked into the IR for convenience, so it's rather 2 variations of the same IR). I know from some sound guys that it's just driving them mad when guitarists completely change their amps 3 times in a song. And it'd actually drive me mad, too.
IMO it's borderline stupid trying to recreate a studio alike sound environment on any live stages, unless you're playing a big, fat selling act under 100% controlled conditions. I doubt many of us round these parts are doing so. Ok, musical theatre shows are actually kinda similar, but for anything else it's pretty much KISS (not the band).

 

[Sascha Franck]

Btw, I lied in my last posting. These days I actually allow myself to use a 3rd amp (using same IR, though). The reason being that I've found some Tonex captures that are just too great to not try them out live, so I have one patch set up for grabs at any time I feel like (ideally with some analog pedals routed in front, which also only are used with that particular patch). I call it a kind of "playground" patch that I may or may not use - so it's not part of the regular schedule.

 

[joezlo]

The title to this thread should be a statement, not a question.

Sound guys can't help you if you don't help yourself first.
Regardless of taste.