laxu
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Are you sure that wasn't just a bit of latency? Because that's all I remember noticing when running Helix into a Bogner. Output levels would also matter.
Helix Stadium wishlist
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Yes to polyphonic synthesis.
Yes to polyphonic pitch-to-MIDI, with internal MIDI note message-triggered synths/sampler, and/or MIDI out to USB/DIN.
From what I've seen so far, Line 6 has already thought of everything else I might have, and more.
Yes to polyphonic pitch-to-MIDI, with internal MIDI note message-triggered synths/sampler, and/or MIDI out to USB/DIN.
From what I've seen so far, Line 6 has already thought of everything else I might have, and more.
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I mean they have the lexicon designers in house I believe so you would think reverbs and delays would be smoking
PCM70 , circular delays
Pan delays are all those guys
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Without seeing the full amp list, I have to put in the request for a full model of the Friedman BE-100 Deluxe. I use the Friedman 95% of the time, bought the JJ Junior to have an affordable real tube amp version, and would probably live on that amp model.
I'm curious to see what the plans are for effects.
I'm curious to see what the plans are for effects.
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I'd really love that, think Jam Origin (which I don't think works as well as some people suggest),
Doesn't have to have any fancy features, just robust pitch detection and tracking.
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I don't know what kind of expertise Line 6/ Yamaha already have on tap, but it seems like the path of least resistance would be to cut Jam Origin a big check and license their technology in some way.
I think it works great if (as with all guitar synth technology to date) you respect its weaknesses and work within those boundaries. LOTS of room for improvement, to be sure.
As for "just robust pitch detection and tracking..."
"Just" is one of those words that makes software developers twitch.
Robust detection and tracking for an instrument whose harmonic content varies as much as guitars do means lots of parameters to worry over. It would be nice if next gen pitch-to-MIDI algorithms could self-optimize (oh God, am I about to say "AI"?) in some way, instead of making guitarists fumble around with EQ and filters and gain curves ad nauseum.I'm curious about both of these, but don't expect we'll see a different Friedman BE100 than the one they modeled for the current Helix. As I understand it, they own it outright, so probably won't be able to convince the Yamaha beancounters to splay out for another.
This is where Proxy hitting the ground running in early 2026 is going to make a huge short-term impact.
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Maybe, but they could at least start with that amp. If they do everything as one big virtual amp instead of 2-3 separate channels that's sweet too.
Placater truly was a game changer for me with Helix. Before that, it was trying to find something that sounded like it, either 2204 Mod or Badonk or whatever else.
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When I demoed it the last time, dynamics were a really big issue for me - as in them not being represented properly. Kinda weird because I think that, if anything, dynamic detection would be the more trivial part of things. Maybe I did something wrong, but I kinda doubt it.
Sure. But there could be a kinda calibration thing, helping you to find out which pickup works best, which level, whether you should possibly even dial back your tone pot and what not. I think there's lots of room for improvements in all these things.
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Yep that and the SLO
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It's 8am there. And he might have a sort of hangover.
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It's really hard to think of anything to add here just yet. It would be fun if the metronome feature would have some subtleties, like being able to conveniently set up odd beats or a library of stylistic patterns and assign drum sounds to the clicks. Mostly it's a matter of waiting and trying out some of the new ways of doing things and imagining from there.
Looking forward to Angoura SLO, Mesa Mark and Friedman for real.
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Some mates suggested me the same. I don't know... Maybe it was that. But I have a hard time trying to think how a little latency could cause that effect in the signal. Also, it didn't happened to me before (and either after) with any other digital unit. At least I didn't notice.
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I primarily run the iOS version, whose performance differs from the Windows version somewhat. On Windows, I think the way you configure your audio interface has a big impact. On iOS, pitch bend is kind of borked, resulting in a brief, annoying bend down when notes are released. (Workaround: disable pitch bend much of the time. Ugh.) On either version, behavior varies considerably depending on the virtual instrument you're firing MIDI at. I think a lot of people will blame poor pitch-to-MIDI conversion when in fact its the tone generator responding too slowly, or any of a dozen other things.
Complicating matters, there's now a Beta of MIDI Guitar 3 on all platforms. It performs better than MIDI Guitar 2 did in many ways. But, being a Beta, it also brings new problems of its own. Jury's out until the official release.
This would be helpful, but I'm thinking more along the lines of continuous, real-time self optimization, where the user wouldn't have to be involved at all. I'm not even sure what that would look like, or whether it would be possible, but I see things like pitch-to-MIDI firing crazy high harmonics on an instrument with a clearly defined range - as just one example - and I think, this could certainly be corrected with a little internal logic. Right now a lot of it (EQing, establishing note ranges, etc.) is left to the end user, and that person is supposed to be playing his damn guitar.
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Those would be my 3 with the XTC that’s already there
Only thing that maybe gives me pause is Line6 has said it takes about 1 full month to model an amp
They have 80 so I hope they do t end up in a similar NDSP
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situation with 5 amps a year* Considerably more powerful DSP - this is getting to be a bit of a problem at times with my Helix, when using some fx anyway. I can only imagine how much more these are going to need, given their greater capabilities.
* The ability for send and return to have different levels (i.e., instrument vs. line) for any given loop - would be useful, for example with 4CM when going through an amp with an fx loop running at line level.
* Convolution reverb, with the ability to load your own IRs.
* Hardware and software should be rock solid. So far so good for my current Helix, and therefore I guess this one’s more like, “Keep up the good work” (as far as I’m aware).
* The ability for send and return to have different levels (i.e., instrument vs. line) for any given loop - would be useful, for example with 4CM when going through an amp with an fx loop running at line level.
* Convolution reverb, with the ability to load your own IRs.
* Hardware and software should be rock solid. So far so good for my current Helix, and therefore I guess this one’s more like, “Keep up the good work” (as far as I’m aware).
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I've done so many comparisons between various regular digital delay pedals, and there was always something about the Helix one that sounded small, and not in your face enough.
