Helix Stadium Agoura Amps Sneak Peek video
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[Nathan]
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Gotta agree with others, pretty shit take here.
You (and me, and everyone who doesn’t work at L6) has no idea how they’re doing their modelling. When I read “completely new modelling methodology” the only way I can interpret that is that they know how others are doing things and they’re…. Wait for it…. Using a new modelling methodology.
Having a high level understanding of how things work like a car, helicopter and amp modelling doesn’t mean there isn’t loads of different approaches that can yield better or worse results.
Anyway I’m not trying to pile on but you called it out and the language they’ve used seems totally fine and not really marketing bs.
BenIfin
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I'm a simple man - so lets not speak in code here - lets be clear and unambiguous about the subtext.
There is a view by some, that Fractal invented the "wheel" and no-one knows how to make a better "wheel" than them. Those same people also believe that no-one will ever build a "better wheel"
Personally - I think that to the extent that that maybe was the case ~10 years ago or so .... those days are now long one.
It is quite possible - or not - that whatever Agoura does, is a "better wheel" and maybe a "better wheel" overall moving forward than anyone else.
None of us have any f&cking idea yet.
Yet somehow, its OK for Fractal to find a better way to model a "Johnson rod" and that's a groundbreaking epiphany celebrated in an almost Biblical way by their acolytes - yet when another company openly says they have built a better way for them to do something, and perhaps some of their new way is not being done by anyone else, that's crass, cheap, hypocritical marketing b.s.
One word ... "gameboy"
There is a view by some, that Fractal invented the "wheel" and no-one knows how to make a better "wheel" than them. Those same people also believe that no-one will ever build a "better wheel"
Personally - I think that to the extent that that maybe was the case ~10 years ago or so .... those days are now long one.
It is quite possible - or not - that whatever Agoura does, is a "better wheel" and maybe a "better wheel" overall moving forward than anyone else.
None of us have any f&cking idea yet.
Yet somehow, its OK for Fractal to find a better way to model a "Johnson rod" and that's a groundbreaking epiphany celebrated in an almost Biblical way by their acolytes - yet when another company openly says they have built a better way for them to do something, and perhaps some of their new way is not being done by anyone else, that's crass, cheap, hypocritical marketing b.s.
One word ... "gameboy"
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Funny. For me it was so obvious they meant "new for Line6 and Helix". Otherwise they should add whatever words needed for the audience to understand they're comparing themselves to all competitors.
But if you've followed Line6 a bit, you know that's not their style. And that attitude is one of the reasons users trust them and preorder the Stadium without having listened anything from it.
If you have reasons to think Line6 is as arrogant as you're implying, the fair thing is to talk about them so we all know.
[Nathan]
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I think you’ve completely misread my words or tone. I think Line6’s verbiage is above board and makes sense, nothing shady to see there at all.
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bucephalus
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Handbags at dawn really.
crispsandwich
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What's hilarious is that those P&W guys made a 20+ minute video talking about this 59 second video. No demos are out there, yet these windbags think people want to watch/listen to their opinions. YouTube seems full of self-important people who have nothing to contribute yet think their stupid chats are worth making a video of. I'm looking forward to hearing the isolated demos and will probably get a Stadium at some point.
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You saw the part where I conceded my original point right? As I said to @Chocol8 starfish, I don’t know what more you want.
Also if you read my comments I never called it marketing bs. I was very clear what I thought was ironic about the video. Maybe rereading it will make it clearer - you may still disagree with it, and that’s fine. I pulled back myself, but don’t put words in my mouth, mmkay?
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Well yes and no
To be fair they are guys that actually have hands on time with the stadium so IMO they certainly are more qualified to give somewhat of an opinion to how it sounds compared to the guy in his moms basement saying 10 reasons why I won’t be buying the new Helix stadium
That said, I do get your point and it was a bit long for what they were discussing
molul
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Oops. Yes, I took it as you were thinking Line6 was comparing themselves with their competitors. And tbh, I re-read your post and I still have a hard time to see the intention was the opposite ^_^U But I guess I'm getting lost in translation.
[Nathan]
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All good, safe to say we’re all excited to get our hands on it!
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I found it informative and even learned a couple of new items. (There are actually 18 Agoura guitar amps at release). And yes, they even joked about making 20 minutes of content out of a 60 second video.
molul
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Where did you find that? It should be 16 as spotted here: https://thegearforum.com/threads/line-6-helix-stadium.9058/post-388127
Guitar Amps
- WhoWatt 103
- US Tweedman
- US 5W Tweed
- US Princess 76
- US Luxe Black
- US Double Black
- Essex TB30CC
- Brit Plexi
- Brit 2203MV
- German Xtra Blue
- German Xtra Red
- Solid 100
- EV Panama Blue
- EV Panama Red
- Revv 120 Purple
- Revv 120 Red
Bass Amps
- Ampeg SVT 50th
- Ampeg B15NF 66
- US Drip Bass
- Agua 751
- Mandarin Plus 200
- Brit MegaBass
GTR37
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#3 and 6 on the bass amp list are widely used as guitar amps
StratsoundFan
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Sounds amaaaazing.
molul
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Oh yeah. I want to hear how the damn thing sounds.
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I'm guessing they've moved on from elaborate Hammerstein-Weiner techniques, to more and more component level modelling. I don't really know for exact though:
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For the umpteenth time, people heard Agoura before a single Stadium feature was discussed. The video that prefaced my demo was all Agoura guitars (Jeff Schroeder) and bass (John Button) and the video's now been watched 214,000 times.
What, were we going to record the guitars and bass clips in a Helix Stadium video through anything but Helix Stadium?
And how could the WT guys possibly share new Agoura clips in their video? The only hardware that's left the building are in the hands of a select few beta testers.
Shared this on FB, but I guess it's appropriate here too:
"WHHHAAAAA! WHERE ARE THE CLIPS?!"—only for myself and others to link to a now-month-old video with 200k+ views consisting of multiple guitar and bass tracks through Agoura—reminds me of a story from high school:
Used to do "facing" in a large Arizona grocery outlet; it involved pulling all the boxes and bags to the front of each shelf so everything looked nice and stocked. In the cereal aisle, an older woman came up, poked me in the shoulder and yelled "Where's the SOUP?!" I politely replied "The soup is on aisle two, ma'am." (We weren't supposed to leave our post.) She promptly left without saying anything.
15 minutes later, I received another poke in the shoulder, this time much harder. "I looked ALL OVER aisle two and there's NO SOUP! What, are you STUPID?!" So I left the cereal aisle and brought her to aisle 2, which had a massive "2" sign above it. One side of aisle 2 was nothing but soup. Literally ALL soup. "Aisle two—soup," I said, while gesturing to the wall of cans.
"W-w-well I didn't look at THIS SIDE. You should make it more obvious!"
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