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Most recently found a stupid good deal on this 1959SLP reissue. Also, a buddy made me a package deal on a mk1 Kraken and MT15 I couldn't turn down
How close to the Lonestar can you get with the VII clean channel?I hadn't bought a new amp in 5-6 years. I felt the urge, so I bought a Mark VII head that arrived yesterday.
Seems to be a wonderful amp, but I'm just getting to know it. It's sitting on top of a small rack that houses and amp and cab switcher. I think I have enough cabs for it with what's here, but I rule out nothing.
I like the idea of having Mesas tricked out a little with custom trim. It's totally unnecessary, of course, but it adds a little dash of 'isn't that special'.![]()
That's a good question. I haven't tried to directly compare them yet. I've been monkeying around with the VII just to learn how to work with it.How close to the Lonestar can you get with the VII clean channel?
Are you on the dope Son?That’s weird, this isn’t the pic I originally uploaded. I forget, but it was probably a drooling gif or something? I’ve never seen this image.
It was National Amp Test Day!How close to the Lonestar can you get with the VII clean channel?
Thanks for the detailed info! I've played the real LSC a few times and used the digital version on a lot of modelers. It's one of my favorite clean sounds.It was National Amp Test Day!
I can dial the two amps' cleans pretty close, keeping in mind that I'm using different output tubes (I have NOS Siemens EL 34s in the Lone Star). You'd have to go back and forth quickly to hear the differences at the right settings.
Note: Mesa recommends using the Tweed setting on the the Lone Star on with EL34s, and I follow that admonition. That has to have a significant effect. Thus a comparison may not be apples/oranges, but it's probably still two different varieties of apple.
The degree of difference between the two amps, set as close as I could get them (pretty darn close), also depended on pickups and guitars.
For consistency, I ran both amps through a Lone Star 2x12 combo's Mesa Black Shadow C90s.
I'm able to switch between the two amps in less than a second with a KHE amp and cab switcher, so comparisons are immediate. The switcher adds no noise or tone suck, so that isn't a concern. I didn't use pedals to compare the two amps.
With a PRS McCarty Singlecut Private Stock model that has 57/08 humbuckers, the Lone Star doesn't quite achieve the 'Clean' mode of the Mark's Channel One. Its midrange and lower midrange are thicker, and there's less crispness in the bass than the Mark VII.
However, if I switch to the 'Fat' mode on the Mark VII, the two amps can be dialed within a hair of each other, close enough that I actually wondered if I still need the Lone Star (but since I can't even wrangle the 87 pound Lone Star combo up the stairs and out of the studio to trade or sell it, it's a good thing I can dial the amps in differently!).
With both a vintage-style Tom Anderson Icon Telecaster with single coils, and a PRS DGT and its brighter humbuckers, the Mark VII seems to have greater clarity with crisper bottom end detail in 'Clean' or 'Fat' modes than the Lone Star.
I should also mention that the "most me" clean sound on the Mark VII isn't on Channel 1 or 2. It's the Mark IIB mode on Channel 3.
Obviously, the Lone Star doesn't offer that option, so I saw no point in trying to make that comparison.
Conclusion:
You can dial them in to be very close to each other using the Mark's 'Fat' mode, with both amps set clean. It's really a matter of degree. The guitar and pickup choices matter.
However, the Mark VII offers at least two additional modes that can be dialed in clean that the Lone Star can't manage, so even clean, the Mark is the more comprehensive choice.
I hope this unscientific comparison helps!
It's a super-nice clean tone. That's what I've mainly used the Lone Star for.Thanks for the detailed info! I've played the real LSC a few times and used the digital version on a lot of modelers. It's one of my favorite clean sounds.
The Mark V 90's 'Tweed' mode is based on the Lone Star's Channel 1. I used it often when I had a Mark V (this was before I had the Lone Star). I don't have my old Mark V here to make a direct comparison, but it's gotta be pretty darn close.I expect I could get similar results out of the Mark V 90 clean modes.
Pictures are worth 1,000 words!What kind of settings did you use on each amp?
Great amp! Great speaker matchup FTW! Congrats Man!Traded in the AC10HW for this classic bad boy… 12” Greenback sealed the deal. Purple tolex is a nice touch.
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If I had kept it I may have rolled some New Tubes into it. But apart from that it was solid and fully checked out.![]()