Fractal FM3 vs Valeton GP-200T

[DLC86]

That's weird, because more or less each guitar amp pretty much serves as a compressor all the time, too (a very coloring one, if you will).

Yes, an amp compresses but its time constants are not anywhere as long as those of a compressor afaik.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Yes, an amp compresses but its time constants are not anywhere as long as those of a compressor afaik.

Hm, not sure.
And also: How comes the tremolo is working then? That should need quite some excessive time.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

NAM being open source means you can tinker with it - and there are many things people could do, as evidenced by Steve in the above video.

If you are only using Standard Wavenet model architectures, and only training with the provided inputs found in the easy snapshot trainer, then you won't be able to model a Tremelo.

What is possible vs. what is provided off-the-shelf.

As for compressors, like guitar pedal compressors, those may well be pretty tame compared to more complex compressors.
Maybe 1500-3000ms range?
It could well be possible to do this with the STANDARD NAM model architecture.
Pretty sure this is what those guys at Neutron are doing with their compressor pack, but I may be wrong.

 

[AlbertA]

Well I bought a GP-200 myself for basically the same price I paid for a Keeley Halo pedal.

 

[AlbertA]

I may even do an unboxing video for you guys, since you love that kinda thing.

 

[ian_dissonance]

One thing that is cool is that the foot switches have several ways to set them up including a Stomp mode that can be assigned however you like with functions each, Tap and Hold.

Do any of the FS options do momentary switching?

 

[KingsXJJ]

Well I bought a GP-200 myself for basically the same price I paid for a Keeley Halo pedal.

One of them is worth it.

 

[nicolasrivera]

One of them is worth it.

YEah, too bad the Keeley does not support NAM files.

 

[KingsXJJ]

YEah, too bad the Keeley does not support NAM files.

The GP-5 does and is worth its price. Like the Halo is.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Nope, the "time constants" (sorry but I don't recall the correct term atm) are too short in the standard architecture to properly capture typical attack and release times of a compressor

Fwiw, that video seems to be an April's Fools joke.

 

[norminal]

Fwiw, that video seems to be an April's Fools joke.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Sorry for the confusion - doesn't seem to be an April's Fools joke as you can in fact download the NAM capture /w tremolo, so there must be ways to get it in there.
Sorry for being an idiot.

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

Sorry for the confusion - doesn't seem to be an April's Fools joke as you can in fact download the NAM capture /w tremolo, so there must be ways to get it in there.
Sorry for being an idiot.

So were you able to load the NAM file into the Valeton?

So overall I am digging this.

Pros:
Sounds decent right out of the box, can get some really good to great sounds with some tweaking. Amps and cabs sound very good and you can add eq and tweak away. Cabs have built in high/low cuts. NAM captures are cool, not sure it is necessary. No issues with IR's, they work like they are supposed to. Effects are decent and useable. Software is very good.

Cons:
Effects are good but not great. Granted I am spoiled by Fractal and Boss when it comes to this . The things that seem elusive that I would like on the unit are...

Comp - although the standard comps are decent, I want a standard Ross style comp with a blend. Just add a blend to any of the ones that are there. The S-Comp is not it.

Delay - again, the delays are decent but where is the simple analog or tape delay with just a touch of modulation? Perhaps a EH MM block? The delays with modulation either have way too much in the mix and are stereo which I don't really need for my use case. Maybe it's in there but I have yet to find it.

Modulation - this is the weakest part of the unit. Where is the subtle classic CE-2 chorus that everyone in the world wants? How about adding a mix knob to the existing choruses? Same with the flangers, not really doing it for me, I want subtle.

If they made the above improvements to the effects part of the unit this could be a standalone go to unit. As it is, it's very useable and tweakable and I plan to use it for rehearsals and home jamming stuff.

Drum machine and looper are a bonus. I am not much of a looper so I don't want to comment on that too much but it seems very straightforward and simple to use. The drum machine is a hoot and provides and instant jam/practice session at the touch of a button. Very cool indeed! Nicely done Valeton.

Any further updates?

Did you try drive/fuzz pedals in front of it?

How would you compare this to the ToneX One?

Thanks in advance

 

[Sascha Franck]

So were you able to load the NAM file into the Valeton?

No. But into the NAM plugin.