E-drums: could they be a common thing for small bands gigs?

[paisleywookiee]

Again no legitimate working sound guy in Denver at least shares your garbage opinions. Give it a rest, and pray you can still get golf course and prom gigs in the future despite the fact you self admittedly suck at running live sound

Nor Chicago. I don’t know what bizzaro world he lives in, but the trials and tribulations of acoustic drums and tube amps just aren’t here. And I say that as someone who loves modelers and owns a eKit.

But I guess we’re in for another round of multi-quote ad hominems about how we’re clueless idiots.

 

[HotRats]

Too many drum sets, amps and even Leslieeeeee!
This is unacceptable!

 

[sashimi]

Too many drum sets, amps and even Leslieeeeee!
This is unacceptable!

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This looks like a dope prom. How much does a prom gig like this pay? 10 grand? 20? They’re making that poor sound guy work for it with all those damn acoustic drums though. I bet it sounded like shit with all those real instruments on stage. Get these guys some v drums and amp modelers.

 

[fiftyshadesofslay]

Great thread.

As with most live sound in my experience, unless you’re playing somewhere so big that there’s no chance of hearing anything except the PA, live instruments need some volume on stage to sound best, be that a drum kit, a real amp, power amp and cab or whatever.

Yes you might have more control if everything’s DI with no stage bleed, but it also sounds incredibly dull and lifeless.

Also if you can’t get a decent mix as a live engineer with sound coming off the stage you’re a hack. Since when does everything need to be completely isolated for it to be possible? That’s an engineer problem, not a musician problem.

My band used to be brutally loud on stage and our engineer had no issues, and also understood that’s what made the band sound the way it did.

 

[jay mitchell]

Nope.

Then it's completely wrong.

 

[Chocol8]

Then it's completely wrong.

And yet somehow not even close to the most wrong thing in this thread!

I am so looking forward to the threads on Christoph Kemper's edrum launch!

 

[djd100]

This thread looks and smells suspiciously like TOP, just another moronic flame fest with precious few respondents even understanding the original question, or the answers and reasons given for when eDrums can be preferable to an acoustic kit in "rock" music, which assumes the style of playing and the drum sounds are appropriate for "rock" music, and that the FOH mix actually matters in "rock" music, plus of course that the drummer can cleanly play the parts needed within the eDrum's obvious triggering limitations...

...which is really sad seeing it's generally accepted here that TOP sucks for this very same reason.

Too bad...

 

[Orvillain]

This thread looks and smells auspiciously like TOP, just another moronic flame fest with precious few respondents even understanding the original question, or the answers and reasons given for when eDrums can be preferable to an acoustic kit in "rock" music, which assumes the style of playing and the drum sounds are appropriate for "rock" music, and that the FOH mix actually matters in "rock" music, plus of course that the drummer can cleanly play the parts needed within the eDrum's obvious triggering limitations...

...which is really sad seeing it's generally accepted here that TOP sucks for this very same reason.

Too bad...

ur mum

 

[KHAAAAAAANNNNNNN!!!!!!!!]

This thread looks and smells auspiciously like TOP, just another moronic flame fest with precious few respondents even understanding the original question, or the answers and reasons given for when eDrums can be preferable to an acoustic kit in "rock" music, which assumes the style of playing and the drum sounds are appropriate for "rock" music, and that the FOH mix actually matters in "rock" music, plus of course that the drummer can cleanly play the parts needed within the eDrum's obvious triggering limitations...

...which is really sad seeing it's generally accepted here that TOP sucks for this very same reason.

Too bad...

Small minds can't agree to disagree.

 

[paisleywookiee]

This thread looks and smells auspiciously like TOP, just another moronic flame fest with precious few respondents even understanding the original question, or the answers and reasons given for when eDrums can be preferable to an acoustic kit in "rock" music, which assumes the style of playing and the drum sounds are appropriate for "rock" music, and that the FOH mix actually matters in "rock" music, plus of course that the drummer can cleanly play the parts needed within the eDrum's obvious triggering limitations...

...which is really sad seeing it's generally accepted here that TOP sucks for this very same reason.

Too bad...

It is too bad. But when you’ve got one guy planting the flag of stupidity about it, it’s going to draw differing viewpoints, based on reality.

 

[ChordInversion]

Yes you might have more control if everything’s DI with no stage bleed, but it also sounds incredibly dull and lifeless.

I've heard a silent stage performance with e-drums sound utterly spectacular. Very lively and brilliant.

But I've also heard acoustic drums and a louder stage volume work perfectly fine in a wide range of venues

 

[OneEng]

I've heard a silent stage performance with e-drums sound utterly spectacular. Very lively and brilliant.

But I've also heard acoustic drums and a louder stage volume work perfectly fine in a wide range of venues

As have I. There is no question that this is true.

I have also had the experience of having a loud acoustic drum kit ruin the mix on multiple occasions and seen others have the problem. eDrums are a good solution to this problem in many situations.

This thread looks and smells auspiciously like TOP, just another moronic flame fest with precious few respondents even understanding the original question, or the answers and reasons given for when eDrums can be preferable to an acoustic kit in "rock" music, which assumes the style of playing and the drum sounds are appropriate for "rock" music, and that the FOH mix actually matters in "rock" music, plus of course that the drummer can cleanly play the parts needed within the eDrum's obvious triggering limitations...

...which is really sad seeing it's generally accepted here that TOP sucks for this very same reason.

Too bad...

I think it is important to acknowledge other people's opinions and to be open to the possibility that someone else might have experiences different than you do that leads them to a different conclusion.

It is unfortunately quite easy for people to get very rude very fast in a forum. Common sense courtesy taught by every grade school seems to quickly go by the wayside.

Just out of curiosity, what is "TOP"?

 

[OneEng]

Wow. Triggered.

When you say stupid things, you’re going to get reactions. But go ahead, spew the babble.

And I didn’t call you any names. I can though, if you want.

The amount of hubris you display on a daily basis is amazing though.

... and what are your pearls of wisdom for handling a venue where you have a loud acoustic drum and a volume level problem and you can't get the vocals over the drums?

Got any recordings you have done LIVE to demonstrate the technique? How about a PA setup? Any advice on what you can do to help the situation.

nothing Worse than holier than though poseur “sound guys”

Yea, the world would be so much better if guitar players setup the PA.

Dude. Just stop. Anyone that actually gigs and knows/talks to sound guys know you’re full of shit

How's about we get a video or some pictures of your last gig. Would love to hear it.

Outside of that, how about you give some advice on how you handle volume issues with drums..... Or have you seriously never heard of such a thing?

 

[TSJMajesty]

Just out of curiosity, what is "TOP"?

It's "our" acronym for TheGearPage, The Other Place, which Cliff Chase of Fractal coined by starting a thread with that name.

 

[jay mitchell]

... and what are your pearls of wisdom for handling a venue where you have a loud acoustic drum and a volume level problem and you can't get the vocals over the drums?

Tell the drummer he's playing too fucking loud. BTDT. It worked. I got paid, and I worked with the same band for more than a year. They went through two drummers before they found a keeper, but I didn't tolerate stupid levels of stage volume from any instrument, and they all came to appreciate that.

Yea, the world would be so much better if guitar players setup the PA.

It happens. This guitar player did just that, on a steady gig while attending graduate school, with top-tier musicians.

 

[paisleywookiee]

... and what are your pearls of wisdom for handling a venue where you have a loud acoustic drum and a volume level problem and you can't get the vocals over the drums?

Find a different drummer that understands dynamics.

 

[paisleywookiee]

It is unfortunately quite easy for people to get very rude very fast in a forum. Common sense courtesy taught by every grade school seems to quickly go by the wayside.

Yeah, that happens when someone comes in and acts like an arrogant know it all on a continual basis.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Yea, the world would be so much better if guitar players setup the PA.

Oh heavens no. Just an average level of competence sound guy can handle acoustic drums no problem though


But hell , I’d wager a good chunk of guitarists could mix acoustic drums with out much issue too

 

[paisleywookiee]

It’s super weird, the lack of electronic drums at shows in this area over the last 35 years I’ve been going to shows or playing. Bunch of idiots.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It would have sounded good all night with eDrums.

It also would've sounded good all night if the drummer knew how to sound great at low levels. Which he obviously didn't.