E-drums: could they be a common thing for small bands gigs?
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There is so much weird misinformation going around in this thread. I never see or hear as much processing of the kick in shows I play as you guys are claiming here. It doesn’t get any special treatment from any other instrument, and it sounds just like the actual drum only louder. 
Huh? I’ve been listening to “real” drums every time I’ve played them since I was 7 years old. Live and in the studio
Why do we get so precious about "real" drums when none of us have heard real drums
live or in the studio for quite some time now?
Seriously. Drums have been more hyped/augmented/lifted/massaged than virtually
any other instrument in a Rock context outside of Vocals and Autotune.
Hell, I bet Drums take the cake as the most Synthesized of all Instruments outside of actual Synths.
Throw in playing to a click, aligned on a grid, and virtually anything and everything that is
"real" and "authentic" about drums has been neutered and removed from the process entirely.
Huh? I’ve been listening to “real” drums every time I’ve played them since I was 7 years old. Live and in the studio
Chocol8
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Seriously? People go to see a show thinking "I don't care who is playing because the sound guy always mixes a great kick drum"?
sashimi
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It seems like a lot of sound guys think their job is to make the kick and snare twice as loud as everything else.
I went to see Dweezil and the drums were painfully loud, and he plays through a fractal with no guitar cabs on stage, so it really ruined the show for me. The intricacies of the guitar solos were totally buried. The drums were LOUD. One instance where an amp/cab on stage would have really helped. What also would have helped was turning the fucking drums down. I saw him another time a few years ago and it sounded great. Definitely a narcissist sound guy problem.
I went to see Dweezil and the drums were painfully loud, and he plays through a fractal with no guitar cabs on stage, so it really ruined the show for me. The intricacies of the guitar solos were totally buried. The drums were LOUD. One instance where an amp/cab on stage would have really helped. What also would have helped was turning the fucking drums down. I saw him another time a few years ago and it sounded great. Definitely a narcissist sound guy problem.
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I know right? I assure you, if Five Finger Douche Punch had an "amazing kick sound", I still would be not in attendance. In fact, I'd be as far away as possible.
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Why do we get so precious about "real" drums when none of us have heard real drums
live or in the studio for quite some time now?
Seriously. Drums have been more hyped/augmented/lifted/massaged than virtually
any other instrument in a Rock context outside of Vocals and Autotune.
Hell, I bet Drums take the cake as the most Synthesized of all Instruments outside of actual Synths.
Throw in playing to a click, aligned on a grid, and virtually anything and everything that is
"real" and "authentic" about drums has been neutered and removed from the process entirely.
ouch, that's too much, man.
When you say "Hell, I bet Drums take the cake as the most Synthesized of all Instruments outside of actual Synths" I disagree.
I mean... does an electric guitar through an univibe and a plexi full stack sounds like an amplified version of the instrument itself?
I don't think so....nonetheless sounds like what we call an elecrtric guitar and we love it in that context.
The same applies to the drums. Do drums (and drumming) of modern metal sound like a simple amplified version of the acoustic kit? Hell no, nonetheless they sounds like drums and not somenthing else. hyped drums? for sure but that's because that's the current aesthetics of modern metal.
There are super hyped drums sounds out there but there's drummers like Gavin Harrison, Danny Carey rocking hard with glorious and unmistakably acoustic sounds.
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I think the advantages of using e-kits live become more apparent if you have your own mixer for the entire band. That way you can pre-mix your band beforehand and it will sound pretty similar at whatever venue. If you are your own sound guy, then you don't have to worry about the sound guy.
"Here's two XLR cables. This is the entire band mix, all instruments and vocals included. Hard pan them left and right. Thanks."
So far I haven't had any pushback with this approach. Sound guy doesn't have to do much and gets paid the same. I'm happy because I know things were mixed to my liking because I did it.
Thank you. Just need to tame the cymbals a bit for home practice as not everybody appreciates loud cymbals.@stonge
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Yeah, those bush-league bands that play proms always suck, right?
The Allman Brothers Band Columbia High School Junior Prom, Decatur, Georgia, May 23, 1970
sashimi
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Wow. Prom was so much cooler in 1970.
No. People go to a show thinking "it sounded amazing last time I saw them". They don't know why. Hint: It isn't because of the great tone the guitar player had!
You think people go to a live event thinking about guitar? Only other guitar players even think about it.
That is very true.... as long as your guitar and bass are also going straight in and don't have too much stage volume.... but mostly you got it right. The drums are by far the biggest source of sound on stage that bleads into the audience outside the mains.... even more than the guitar.
DJ'ing a prom for a larger high school generally pays out around 10K. When was the last time you got paid that much for a gig?Prom and golf club club-houses. What a paragon of audio engineering.
The "golf club" had a stage bigger than most live venues I have seen and the guys doing the gig had a pretty amazing RCF NX PA rig with 8003 subs and about 5K of lighting. Not exactly a hole in the wall setup.
What paragon of audio engineering have you matriculated from lately?
Not sure why you feel it necessary to post such meaningless drivel that adds nothing to the discussion other than inviting personal attacks. But then again, it is exactly the kind of thing a closet musician would throw at someone that is actually performing and active in the industry. Is the view pretty good from those cheap seats you are sitting in?
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They are thinking about the kick even less than the guitar.
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paisleywookiee
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It's much more than the songs and the musicianship. It's the PA and the sound guy. Good luck trying to sound like anything resembling good with out a decent PA and your buddy "Joe" who normally holds down a job at the McDonalds drive through running your mixer.Oh yeah it’s definitely not the songs or musicianship, it’s the sound guy
Oh, but lets not forget how everyone will LOVE that great guitar tone!
sashimi
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It's much more than the songs and the musicianship. It's the PA and the sound guy. Good luck trying to sound like anything resembling good with out a decent PA and your buddy "Joe" who normally holds down a job at the McDonalds drive through running your mixer.
Oh, but lets not forget how everyone will LOVE that great guitar tone!
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