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ispunk
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this is how you make the wah wah sound.We might have to make a NSFW Gear Demo subforum for this thing.
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laxu
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I'd love to hear an actual answer for this.Hmm, lol. I was thinking more like being able to automate it in Showcase or something. Was just wondering about the logistics of moving the cursor while distracted by something like playing a guitar. But it seems like L6 has thought of everything, per usual.
Seeing both Focus view and the XY Controller, it felt like these were somehow made for each other where you could use an expression pedal or two, maybe one of those weird round X/Y axis expression pedals. Can't remember the company.
Like I could probably make the Luminite XY Controller joystick move the cursor on Focus view, or a similar thing on the Stadium's XY controller if that's possible.
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Assuming the Luminite spits out CCs, you would just learn the axis’s CC instead of tapping the XY controller’s axis icon in the Learn dialog. Presumably it’d work the same (just without XY’s Rubber Band).
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Yeah the Luminite controllers can be mapped to do just about anything.
I was thinking more along the lines that if you have the Stadium XY controller setup, might as well have other ways to control it without needing to map things separately. Then any preset with XY will work with your MIDI controller.
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I wasn't really on the fence, but this post absolutely made rock sold the fact that I am pre-ordering a Helix Stadium the moment I'm done with job negotiations. For context, I haven't bought (then returned) a Line6 product (DT25) in over 12 years, and I have never been a fanboy.If you don't mind, I'll use this as an opportunity to soapbox a bit to anyone reading this.
Exactly ten years ago, and several years after, Frank, Ben, Igor, myself, and others were stupid transparent about Helix, probably to a fault. If we knew something was coming or thought it might show up soon, we'd post "not at launch" with a wink and a nod. IdeaScale was wide open to anyone, and anyone could easily infer what we may or may not be working on. I waxed poetic at length about how yeah, we almost added wireless mobile editing to Helix, and yeah, we had an entirely different touchscreen-centric design, and all sorts of other internal goings-on.
The trick is that ten years ago, the usual suspects (Fractal, Kemper, BOSS, Atomic, Line 6, a couple others) generally operated in good faith. Sure, everyone's marketing toed the hyperbole line, but by and large, we stayed in our lane and focused on solving problems for our own customers. All I knew is that Cliff and Christoph were (still are, of course) geniuses and while the customer overlap was probably more than a tiny sliver on a Venn diagram, we strived to design, develop, and support gear on our own terms and appeared to be largely unconcerned with what "the other guy" was doing. In fact, Line 6 actively eschewed what the other guy was doing, and if the masses demanded a feature that existed elsewhere, we strived to understand the problem and solve it in a unique and novel way. Everyone did back then.
But over the years, the multieffects market feels like it's slowly devolving into opportunism, feigning credit for things you shamelessly ripped off, and obsessing more about stealing sales or market share from others than helping grow the market to lift all ships. One company executive apparently made their box all about cutting Line 6 off at the knees (due to a petty grudge from years previous), another very obviously slagged both Fractal and Line 6 (without specifying them) in the very first paragraph of their very first post-release interview and we caught their employees insulting our gear in front of visitors to our own NAMM booth. Yet another climbed the corporate ladder by falsely claiming they "created Helix," and their fellow employees even trolled Helix threads, claiming the reason 'Helix 2' didn't exist was because Line 6's brain trust quit years ago.And now there are a butt ton of cheap knock-off companies that embrace a specific cultural notion that innovation, design, and R&D are unneeded expenses. What's worse, some of the public not only defends these actions, they celebrate them. It's like this market is slipping more into do-you-even-lift-bro-crypto-startup douchebaggery and less real passionate people who just want to make cool boxes and buy each other beers at NAMM.
Also, it appears that every little thing Frank, Ben, Igor, or I say is not only picked apart by our customers, but by our competitors as well (who are much better at reading between the lines than our users), and given that Stadium won't be out for many months, that gives them ample time to embrace reactionary me-too development instead of good faith competition. This is a big reason why we shut down our IdeaScale—no need to do those guys any favors. And it's why we're very careful about what and when we divulge specific details about Helix Stadium.
And whether it's the political climate or what, gear forums have also devolved into... I'll just say it. There are a lot of straight dicks. "Oh, here's a thread about a new box. I won't read any specs or watch any videos or absorb any context whatsoever but I GOTTAall over it because everyone MUST hear my opinion!" Yeah, of course, it's not like this isn't like every other online community out there, but it's just... a bit less fun to be here now. Well, TGF is cool;
others less so, especially when the mods decide to slap 30 pages of a sewage dump criticism thread onto the very front of a legitimate Helix Stadium discussion.EDIT: They fixed it. Thank you; you're cool again!Never mind, the OP just changed the thread title and first post. The whole mess is still there. Lame.
Joe, Steve, Simon, Ben, Brandon, and I were also extremely purposeful about what we did and didn't divulge at the June 11 keynote and subsequent videos/interviews. In fact, I sent the entire 10-page script to like 20 Line 6ers ahead of time to make sure no one was all "Whoa, mentioning that might imply to someone paying attention that we're working on..."
So that's a really long-winded, circuitous, old-man-yelling-at-cloud way of saying "we can't talk about any looper stuff right now."
/soapbox
I think I know who you're talking about with the claiming they "created Helix" thing, but I am not going to say who, because I don't want to put you in a position of confirming or denying when you're taking the high road.
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Will the stadium allow us to pick one point on Focus, assign all the parameters to the bottom of the expression pedal and then another point on Focus as the top of the expression pedal, and then morph between them using the expression pedal?
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Will Augora process be an improvement for Line 6 original models? As in, if the Ventoux model was created today would it be more better?
If so will you encourage the continuation of the part of the catalog?
If so will you encourage the continuation of the part of the catalog?
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Iirc, the Agoura engine isn't applied to the Legacy amps. Maybe we'll get an "updated" Ventoux in the future, but it's very probably not gonna be a stock model.
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He said it's not in the roadmap in another thread, but it could be in the future if it makes sense.
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Every modeling engine has limits when you try to nail the intricacies of real amps. Cygnus does, Agoura does, whatever comes after Agoura will... You can only go so far before the tools you build eat up too much DSP and that's it.
Can't speak for Ben, Sam, and Ryan, but I don't believe Line 6 Originals have the same limitations. They know exactly what they can get away with and utilize existing tools to create idealized versions of the amps they hear in their heads. It's like having an extensive LEGO set and trying to nail a detailed diorama that you may not have all the pieces or colors for vs. designing something special based on the pieces and colors you have. Might different decisions on Line 6 Original Amps have been made if Sound Design had full access to Agoura at the time? Maybe, but then they would've been approached from a different direction, which would be different, and perhaps not necessarily objectively better.
So I'm just as excited as anyone to see what Ben and co. do with Original amps going forward.
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Cool so the xl will have the pinhole lights around only vol knob? And that’s not on the non xl?
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No, the pinhole LED ring around the Main Volume knob was something we originally had intended to include (XL only), but dumped them a couple of years ago because of cost.
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Oh thanx … too bad I like the look of those on the kemper stage unit and the older ax8
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The Yamaha museum in Hamamatsu is super cool. Totally worth visiting for anyone heading from Tokyo to Osaka on the bullet train.
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There will still be updates, but obviously not at the same pace as before.
I doubt there will be a "final update" announced like that. At some point there just won't be any more updates.
Current Helix devices can be taken as finished products. Any new addition will be welcome, but the future is Stadium now.
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My understanding is that features/models/effects in Stadium that can be handled by the older devices will be offered in updates.
It’s like how the PodGo updates have included a lot of Helix models and effects, but the device itself doesn’t have the processing power to handle certain things like polyphonic pitch shifting or cosmos echo.