Digital Igloo (Eric Klein, YGG)

Digital Igloo said:
  • Realize that the extra DSP blocks don't actually make the amp sound better, they just make it more accurate, warts and all. We could leave it as is—that is, more pleasing to the ear—and use up 1/3 of the DSP. Even if Stan can tell a difference in our studio A/B/X test, he likely wouldn't notice anything off by itself. Braydens might actually prefer the lower-DSP version
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Would you release an update that has both versions?
 
Lysander said:
Really really hard to go wrong with a Stomp.
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It looks great. But man... is it wrong to strongly wish there was S/PDIF I/O? Sure would be nice strapped with my FM9, or my FM3 into it for an adorable rig. :D

I'm in no rush; will wait for the right price, and possibly see anything new at NAMM.
 
Vic Winters said:
Would you release an update that has both versions?
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Normally I'd say probably not, but now that I'm thinking about it, maybe it makes sense.

Say one year we finally come out with the now-mythological HELIX 2 and it has a completely different modeling engine that uses way more DSP. Finance and Sales would definitely want to transition our existing XXX,000 Helix/HX users to the new flagship and the easiest way for that to happen would be compatibility with existing preset libraries, which would of course require models from Helix/HX.

Conversely, Ben, Sam, and Ryan might not want anything but their latest and best work to be represented. Products and Design might find the UX to be unwieldy, especially when trying to help minimize users' option anxiety. Plus, CS would get annoyed at fielding calls about why there are two Fender Twins or two Ampeg SVTs.

I'm sure there'll be healthy, polite debate, both internally and externally. /s
 
KFF said:
It looks great. But man... is it wrong to strongly wish there was S/PDIF I/O?
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Not really, but i don't think there's anything in that product category sporting S/PDIF :(

The closest would be Fractal's FM3, which has a S/PDIF out, but that thing is a boat anchor next to the Stomp.
 
Digital Igloo said:
Normally I'd say probably not, but now that I'm thinking about it, maybe it makes sense.

Say one year we finally come out with the now-mythological HELIX 2 and it has a completely different modeling engine that uses way more DSP. Finance and Sales would definitely want to transition our existing XXX,000 Helix/HX users to the new flagship and the easiest way for that to happen would be compatibility with existing preset libraries, which would of course require models from Helix/HX.

Conversely, Ben, Sam, and Ryan might not want anything but their latest and best work to be represented. Products and Design might find the UX to be unwieldy, especially when trying to help minimize users' option anxiety. Plus, CS would get annoyed at fielding calls about why there are two Fender Twins or two Ampeg SVTs.

I'm sure there'll be healthy, polite debate, both internally and externally. /s
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Two words: “Legacy Folder”
:rollsafe

(L6 already does a great job with effects and cabs this way)
 
Digital Igloo said:
Yep, and as soon as you want to change amps (or change playback volume because your ears start to ring), you often gotta do more work. Chasing sound/feel accuracy is totally doable in digital, but it's not necessarily fun. That's why I've been gravitating toward Line 6 Original amp models: lower DSP (because they don't need to describe weird, perhaps unpleasing behavior), more forgiving, and no has-this-setup-been-tweaked-to-sound-as-accurate-as-possible voice in your head.
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I've been a huge fan of some of the more recent Line 6 original amps (but the recent Grammatico and German Xtra Blue are in there too). I was starting to feel really good about being able to dial in/adjust those guys to my liking without much headache. But now you're telling me Line 6 sort of idiot=proofed them, which implies I'm an idiot. I'll own that, ha! But luckily I'm not an annoying Brayden, I don't much care whether or not it sounds like I'm playing some particular discrete amp as it's trivially easy for me to find some sort of tone that makes it worth my while to pick up a guitar. Heck, I even have some presets that are difficult to make sound good I switch to on occasion to improve my playing skills--when I can get it going on one of those, I'm cooking with gas. That's maybe one downside to modeling--it's too easy to overhaul your setup rather than taking the time to make the setup you have work like back when I was a kid and a wannabe player was lucky to even have one cheapo amp. Anyway, I just couldn't let a mention of the Line 6 original amps go by without a here-here affirmation.
 
Mooselake said:
I've been a huge fan of some of the more recent Line 6 original amps (but the recent Grammatico and German Xtra Blue are in there too). I was starting to feel really good about being able to dial in/adjust those guys to my liking without much headache. But now you're telling me Line 6 sort of idiot=proofed them, which implies I'm an idiot. I'll own that, ha! But luckily I'm not an annoying Brayden, I don't much care whether or not it sounds like I'm playing some particular discrete amp as it's trivially easy for me to find some sort of tone that makes it worth my while to pick up a guitar. Heck, I even have some presets that are difficult to make sound good I switch to on occasion to improve my playing skills--when I can get it going on one of those, I'm cooking with gas. That's maybe one downside to modeling--it's too easy to overhaul your setup rather than taking the time to make the setup you have work like back when I was a kid and a wannabe player was lucky to even have one cheapo amp. Anyway, I just couldn't let a mention of the Line 6 original amps go by without a here-here affirmation.
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Oh, Sound Design hasn't dumbed down any of the amps (or effects) based on real gear. Even the Original Amp Design models aren't dumbed down as much as the goal of the models (to sound and feel great with little to no fuss) is easier to reach when you're not trying to chase down odd—and perhaps sometimes less pleasing to the ear and fingers—behavior.
 
Digital Igloo said:
Conversely, Ben, Sam, and Ryan might not want anything but their latest and best work to be represented. Products and Design might find the UX to be unwieldy, especially when trying to help minimize users' option anxiety. Plus, CS would get annoyed at fielding calls about why there are two Fender Twins or two Ampeg SVTs.
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If possible, you could consider doing it the way Logic does it. Older projects load with any older plugins just fine but you cannot easily select them from the plugin selection menu anymore (yeah, there's the option key, but basically older plugins are out of the way).

Further: Yes, more L6 original amps please. Especially the latest ones are easy to deal with and sound great. In addition, personally I'd like to see a "not as easy to deal with" playground amp as well.

And finally, for your next hardware or even just your next new amp model listening sessions, please invite Eagle. Don't forget to shoot a documentation video how he picks the real amp in an ABX blindtest each and every time.
 
Digital Igloo said:
Oh, Sound Design hasn't dumbed down any of the amps (or effects) based on real gear. Even the Original Amp Design models aren't dumbed down as much as the goal of the models (to sound and feel great with little to no fuss) is easier to reach when you're not trying to chase down odd—and perhaps sometimes less pleasing to the ear and fingers—behavior.
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Roger that. To me "idiot proofing" is not the same as dumbing down. One could argue that a design that we'll say is more efficient/has a wider swath of of usability/is simpler to navigate is a more elegant solution than modeling an existing physical design. And fwiw I didn't intend to imply that either the Grammatico nor German Xtra Blue were somehow glossed over for the sake of ease of use. I just mentioned them because at least from where my tastes lie at the moment, they are both exceptionally spot on for what sounds good to me. Never owned either amp, nor even seen one in person, so I can't speak to those models in terms of how faithfully they do or don't replicate their discrete counterparts. I've not had a ton of trouble dialing in the Xtra Blue starting with the defaults despite it having a good number of options. The Grammatico is a trickier beast with even more options iirc, but worth investing some time in.
 
Stone said:
@Digital Igloo will Line6 be attending NAMM 2025 ? if so will you be unveiling the New Powercab ?

:cool:
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Yes, YGG got a really good deal on a smaller hall right across from Yamaha. I have a few meetings but will spend most of my time in the booth. If you're there, stop by and say hi. :D

The only Line 6 announcement takes place on Thursday morning, and it's not new hardware. Most people at TGF won't care about it.
 
Digital Igloo said:
The only Line 6 announcement takes place on Thursday morning, and it's not new hardware.
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