Darkglass Anagram - NAM profile player & multieffects unit

[Humbug]

Where did you order from?

I went for a local supplier. Won't be available for a good month, though, so I'll have time to cancel if the null tests are bad

 

[BenIfin]

Well, I just ordered one. I hope it is, in fact, all that and a bag of chips.

You're a Bass player I assume (?)

 

[Humbug]

You're a Bass player I assume (?)

I'll play anything with strings, really. And accordion, unless I get paid not to.

 

[2dor]

I'll play anything with strings, really. And accordion, unless I get paid not to.

Hardcore

 

[Chocol8]

And accordion, unless I get paid not to.

If you want to get paid not to play, add bagpipes to your repertoire!

 

[Humbug]

If you want to get paid not to play, add bagpipes to your repertoire!

Come on, man. I'm not evil!

 

[Rev. Irreverent Revenant]

I went for a local supplier. Won't be available for a good month, though, so I'll have time to cancel if the null tests are bad

I nearly sent mine back because the nuts on the quarter inch jacks weren't perfectly aligned.

 

[2dor]

NULL tests:



Ranking: (Dimehead NAM player still on top)

 

[Nembrini]

The gameboy one is the best of all :)
After all, it's their only one product as far as I know so they're are probably highly specialized to the NAM thing, that's probably why the other ones aren't as good. I didn't know that nam as so much versions, custom, native, olifan... that's confusing. Each time I start to figure out how nam is working something more complicated is jumping from nowhere
I'll order a Dime HEAD when they'll make some discount, at 300 euros it should be perfect for me. Maybe second hand

 

[2dor]

The gameboy one is the best of all :)
After all, it's their only one product as far as I know so they're are probably highly specialized to the NAM thing, that's probably why the other ones aren't as good. I didn't know that nam as so much versions, custom, native, olifan... that's confusing. Each time I start to figure out how nam is working something more complicated is jumping from nowhere
I'll order a Dime HEAD when they'll make some discount, at 300 euros it should be perfect for me. Maybe second hand

That just reinforces what @laxu posted earlier; anybody can fork the code and tweak it to their platform / requirements. That's the beauty of NAM being open-source.

 

[ccc118]

You are letting your biases control your thinking too much.

Component modeling is not the "proper" way to simulate an amp. It is the most simplistic "in the box thinking" approach to digital simulation, although it results in some complex models. That's actually a big part of the downside. There is a lot of complexity and interaction that needs to be modeled to accurately recreate a tube amp with all of its imperfect components. That means big models and big processing or lots of simplifications.

Capture technology is a different approach to get to the same results. In some ways it is significantly more efficient, in other ways less so.

If I want the sound of a certain amp model with the bass rolled back, mids cranked, and treble in the 6-7 range...

With another copy of the real amp, I roll the bass back, mids up, set treble at 6 and play. Then I listen, adjust the knobs as needed because they are not all identical, listen again and play on. Of course that is just the start if you want to record or send to the PA.

With a modeler, I pull up a model of as similar an amp as I can get, start with the knobs where I expect and then start playing, listening, and tweaking, often tweaking other parameters to get it to sound right.

With a capture device, I can find a capture of the amp model in question with the tone controls close to where I would set them. Play, listen, and tweak as needed. No the controls don't work exactly like the real amp, but if you start with a capture that is fairly close that doesn't matter and actually the EQ tends to work better. IME, it may take more time to find a good starting point capture, but after you do, it is much quicker to dial it in than with a modeler.

Finally, if I have the original amp I want to copy, I can capture it as is. Depending on the device, this can take some time and effort to do well, but not that much.

The tools and workflows are different, but the end result is effectively the same. And, if the end result sounds the same...

If I could find captures that have the same settings that I would use on a specific amp, then I could probably get it to sound good quickly, but I'm not sure how many people are releasing things this way. A lot of people don't have any info about the settings used. I've also seen some people release multiple captures but use some sort of arbitrary settings with all knobs on the same value just to keep things simpler (everything on 5, everything on 8 etc....). This makes it so that you either have to use settings that you wouldn't really use and then adjust afterwards or you have to keep testing out captures until you find one you like. This is where the component approach can end up being faster, even if you still have to tweak some other parameters.

 

[Chocol8]

If I could find captures that have the same settings that I would use on a specific amp, then I could probably get it to sound good quickly, but I'm not sure how many people are releasing things this way.

You have to make your own captures or get them from a good source, especially if you are going to pay for them. For example, if you go to Amalgam Audio's site, usually the last "picture" for any pack is a spreadsheet of all the captures and what the amp settings were, so you can see what is included before you buy them.

Obviously, random free captures uploaded by the masses are generally going to be worth slightly less than what you pay for them.

 

[2dor]

If I could find captures that have the same settings that I would use on a specific amp, then I could probably get it to sound good quickly, but I'm not sure how many people are releasing things this way. A lot of people don't have any info about the settings used. I've also seen some people release multiple captures but use some sort of arbitrary settings with all knobs on the same value just to keep things simpler (everything on 5, everything on 8 etc....). This makes it so that you either have to use settings that you wouldn't really use and then adjust afterwards or you have to keep testing out captures until you find one you like. This is where the component approach can end up being faster, even if you still have to tweak some other parameters.

IMHO we'll start seeing (already seeing tbh) a lot of what @ArteraDSP is doing in GigFast and that is parametric NAM models. And I agree: static snapshots are great if you're profiling your own gear dialed in a specific way for one or more use-cases. It may not translate well to what others may want but would suit your own needs 100%.

 

[2dor]

You have to make your own captures or get them from a good source, especially if you are going to pay for them. For example, if you go to Amalgam Audio's site, usually the last "picture" for any pack is a spreadsheet of all the captures and what the amp settings were, so you can see what is included before you buy them.

Obviously, random free captures uploaded by the masses are generally going to be worth slightly less than what you pay for them.

There's nothing stopping folks from putting more time into labeling their packs / profiles. I've done it a lot of ways in the past:

- just named profiles: https://www.tone3000.com/tones/ceriatone-molecular-50w-13-dbu-6234
- packs with detailed information on the knobs & switches (https://www.tone3000.com/tones/mesa...return-13688-dbu-lehle-p-split-iii-reamp-6307)

What I found is that no matter what you do, you'll piss the other camp off lol. If you include too much info, some folks will dread having to read through it; if you don't, others will point the finger at you for not including the data.

If somebody's only a consumer of NAM profiles (doesn't produce their own), the only thing TO do is try to gauge if the authors have a good grasp of what goes into making good NAM profiles, signal chain and, the hardest of all, taste :)

 

[Chocol8]

I agree, but whether buying or downloading free stuff, you need to find a good source with the information you want.

 

[Humbug]

NULL tests:

Ranking: (Dimehead NAM player still on top)

That's it. I'm cancelling my order! (Well, really it's because the supplier changed expected delivery from mid june to mid august, but that's not baity enough)

 

[Rev. Irreverent Revenant]

That's it. I'm cancelling my order! (Well, really it's because the supplier changed expected delivery from mid june to mid august, but that's not baity enough)

I heard that it goes through your house and leaves all the toilet seats up just to cause marital disharmony! And it eats the end pieces off the bread loaf before the loaf is finished! And have you seen how it cuts pie?? Right out of the middle! Can you believe that?? You’re far better off not having this Pandora’s box of uncouthness in your life!!