Darkglass Anagram - NAM profile player & multieffects unit

[laxu]

Latency:

empty chain: 3ms
1 NAM profile: 3ms
2 NAM profiles: 3.1 -3.2 ms
2 NAM profiles + 1 NAM profile in parallel: 3.1 - 3.2 ms
FX loop engaged: 6ms

That's firmly in the "that's alright" territory.

For comparison, the Hotone Ampero 2 is:

• ~3ms in most cases.
• ~5ms with a very complex preset.
• ~6ms with the fx loop.

Boss excluded, I think most smaller multifx units hover in the give or take 3ms range.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Boss excluded, I think most smaller multifx units hover in the give or take 3ms range.

The Stomp kicks in somewhat lower, but it's not worth too much.

Unfortunately, very little companies manage to deliver as low latencies as the Boss GTs/GXs (the latter being even more astonishing as, IIRC, it's running at 48kHz internally). They all work fine when you don't use the loops and/or further digital devices, but once you start doing so, it's kinda easy to end up in the 8-10ms realm. Add a digital wireless transmitter and some digital monitoring and things might become a serious issue.

 

[Rev. Irreverent Revenant]

Well, I wouldn't agree on it doing "more" - but rather doing "different" things. Sure, if these things are what you're really after, then it might be a good deal. But if your fine with any kind of decent bass processing, the Stomp IMO is a better choice.

May want to give the deep dive video a look, it absolutely does more.

Don’t get me wrong - I have a HX Effects and love it, but for $50 less and minus the amp modelers it does more than the Stomp. If you happen to want any of the DG drives (a lot of bassists do), then the Stomp doesn’t do it at all.

 

[Chocol8]

The numbers are OK without the loop, but 6ms with a loop is really pushing it if you want to use other digital devices including wireless.

 

[nicolasrivera]

I love your enthusiasm Nicholas .... but unless you really want to pay "massively through the a**" for 2 or 3 NAM Blocks ... why would any guitarist by a multi efx unit that the manufacturer is going out of their way to say is specifically designed ground up for Bass ?

You really want to run a static Drive Pedal Capture into a static Amp Capture and then change settings and expect it to sound "right" ??????

Apparently its got 7 Bass Amps and supposedly 7 guitar Amps but cant find an amp list anywhere.

Its current FW 1.1 only does Midi PC - no Midi CC - we have no idea how Darkglass/Korg are with regular FW fixes and updates ?

And almost certainly, the drives, Comps and EQ's are all "tuned" for "best results" on Bass.

Its absolutely awesome for Bass Players ... period

I.m.h.o, its a total no brainer no-buy for guitarist until - if ever - lots of Guitar Amps and Guitar Specific EFX are added.

Anyone who buys a product these days for what they hope / want it to become -as opposed to what it is- may as well [metaphorically speaking] set fire to their money.

And yes - it was/is a deliberately pissy click bait tease by Leo - and that's the problem - they increasingly have to deliberately do "not quite right" sh*t like this to get the eyeballs and keep the [probably] few $$ per month coming it.

Well, today is day 2 of its release, in the upcoming months they will have many FW updates, i trust me, this will be a guitar product also.

We are also early in the year, maybe another company comes out with a better product that could also support 3 full resolution low latency NAM files. In the mean time DarkGlass is king even if ANAGRAM is initially perceived as a BASS only product, something our friend Leo Gibson has already proven wrong!

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

3ms is pretty decent.

In comparison: Dimehead NAM Player latency is approximately 1ms with Fx loop and 2xnams, 0.8ms for 2xnams without fx loop, a little less again with just 1xnam, an empty chain is 0.5ms.

It's so awesome to have all of this new tech to choose from and the NAM community is growing bigger each day =)

 

[JiveTurkey]

6ms for the loop seems a bit much?

 

[Sascha Franck]

6ms for the loop seems a bit much?

Quite normal. 3ms for one ADDA cycle isn't particularly low but not particularly high, either.

 

[AFKAEjay(retired)]

Anagram - as best I can tell - has 6 x Different Bass Amps [maybe 7 (?) ]

+ an unlimited amount of captures

The more I look at this product at this price point, the less it makes sense for Bass players.

Only unit this small with xlr out besides kpp? Most efx slots and parallel paths? (Maybe hotone also? Idnk) Only small capture device with a touchscreen and efx loop?

You can be a “Bassgod” with any of the units out there..but if these things are important to you…would make sense to me.

 

[Los-D]

Has been said already, but I also think that this is too expensive for a 3 button unit. And if I was a bass player, I'd possibly do the same as many guitar players and just get an HX Stomp (unless they have some seriously ass kicking bass FX on this one).
And as far as myself and captures are concerned, as long as nobody comes up with a capturing block featuring similar things as the one in Genome (which is just most excellent IMO), I'm out of all of the capturing biz anyway.

If I were a bassist I would even look at the Pod Express Bass and call it good.

 

[Chocol8]

Quite normal. 3ms for one ADDA cycle isn't particularly low but not particularly high, either.

3ms for ADDA plus signal processing is OK but not particularly good. In 2025, I would say adding 3ms simply for the additional ADDA on the loop is borderline unacceptably high.

 

[Sascha Franck]

In 2025, I would say adding 3ms simply for the additional ADDA on the loop is borderline unacceptably high.

Well, usually there's always some processing going beyond the required DAAD circuit going on (even with everything bypassed, that is). And it's also like that with pretty much all devices, so that, given everything is bypassed, the RTL doubles once you activate an FX loop (at least it's like that with the HX series, the Boss GTs and what not).

 

[Chocol8]

If you are comparing to older hardware, sure it is somewhat normal but still high. I wouldn't expect them to beat the Dimehead, but they should be a LOT closer IMHO. As a somewhat absurd example, you can put three Tonex One pedals in series with the loop effects in between and have similar or less latency at a fraction of the cost. That's not good.

 

[Sascha Franck]

three Tonex One pedals in series

What's the latency on those? Has Leo measured them? Or have you?

 

[Chocol8]

What's the latency on those? Has Leo measured them? Or have you?

I believe Leo measured them to be 1.2 to 1.4 depending on capture loaded. The larger Tonex he measured at 2.2 but that may have been changed with firmware updates.

So two units with "loop" in between would be less than 3ms with two captures. Running 2-3 NAM captures with a loop, I would like to see 3-4 or less, not 6.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

If you happen to want any of the DG drives (a lot of bassists do), then the Stomp doesn’t do it at all.

tbf, the Helix model of the B7K is pretty great

 

[Sascha Franck]

I believe Leo measured them to be 1.2 to 1.4 depending on capture loaded.

That's quite nice. I'm considering 1 or even two for my board, to replace the old Atomic AFB and the NUX Amp Academy. Space saved, possibly better sound, too (are the Tonex'es known to deal well with pedals?).

 

[Chocol8]

That's quite nice. I'm considering 1 or even two for my board, to replace the old Atomic AFB and the NUX Amp Academy. Space saved, possibly better sound, too (are the Tonex'es known to deal well with pedals?).

The Tonex pedals do great with pedals in front as long as you don't clip the input with too much boost. That is an issue with any digital device, but Tonex units have decent but not great input headroom. One thing I like about Tonex is how well the captures respond to changes in input level. Much closer to how my amps behave than Kemper was.

 

[Sascha Franck]

The Tonex pedals do great with pedals in front as long as you don't clip the input with too much boost. That is an issue with any digital device, but Tonex units have decent but not great input headroom.

That'd be fine with me (even if I'm spoiled from the HX Floor/Stomp experience, both of which taking pedals possibly as good as it gets in digital land).

 

[quadgear]

Quite normal. 3ms for one ADDA cycle isn't particularly low but not particularly high, either.

The latency probably has a lot to do with their use of Linux. It can be decreased with more effort but ultimately you have an OS with buffers.

Not surprising given the Mod Duo DNA.