Darkglass Anagram - NAM profile player & multieffects unit
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ARM Cortex A76 is not really a DSP chip, and even though it runs at 3 GHz clock vs. 2 GHz of ADSP-SC589 DSPs (x2) on QC it's not more powerful actually. Those are very different chips and hardware architectures anyway, difficult to compare. The ARM uses several extension (SVE and SME for vector and matrix multiplication for an example) to boost AI operations but no NPU. NAM uses one of the simplest methods for generative audio -the WaveNet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaveNet), haven't seen any mentions which one NDSP uses though some member on NDSP forums claims that it's not any convention ML algorithm but some genetic one (https://unity.neuraldsp.com/t/neura...th-competition-tonex-nam-etc/10742/123?page=7).
You can also use ML to "train" white-box modelling amp by controlling it's parameters and trying to get similar output as NAM player for an example. So you can implement NAM import in separate application that runs on PC. I guess that is how Hotone Ampero works (and maybe some other modelling pedals, too).
E: There is a paper describing the NDSP modelling:
Quickly checked that and found mentioned that they use LSTM (same algorithm as Tonex but different to NAM) but with added variables for the amp controls.
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Mike Oliphant
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"simplest" compared to what?
LSTM is significantly simpler than WaveNet. That doesn't mean it is necessarily categorically worse.
NAM also has an LSTM implementation. It tends not to get used much, though, because WaveNet has performed (accuracy, not CPU performance) better in practice.
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1000€,
2 to 4 NAM standard instances,
All classics FX, series, parallel paths, fully customizable (drives, comp, mod, rev, dly, eq, master comp)
IR loader (2 parallel)
High definition screen, touch sensitive
1 MOhm input impedance fixed
Audio interface USB C Apple compliant (no driver needed) and asio PC with drivers
WILL BE ABLE TO LOAD OPEN SOURCE NEURAL NETWORKS, not only NAM standards.
And open to third party plugins
2 to 4 NAM standard instances,
All classics FX, series, parallel paths, fully customizable (drives, comp, mod, rev, dly, eq, master comp)
IR loader (2 parallel)
High definition screen, touch sensitive
1 MOhm input impedance fixed
Audio interface USB C Apple compliant (no driver needed) and asio PC with drivers
WILL BE ABLE TO LOAD OPEN SOURCE NEURAL NETWORKS, not only NAM standards.
And open to third party plugins
BenIfin
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Link ?
* If * it can simultaneously run 4 x Full Quality NAM Captures + 2 x 2048 IR's + up to 7 additional EFX Blocks ..... this thing has got some pretty major horsepower in that little box (?)
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Chocol8
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Why would it make any (business) sense for NDSP to put R&D effort into NAM support when they have so many other things to work on with limited resources?
I think (?) he's referring more to the open to other neural networks and third-party plugins out of the gate, if that turns out to be true.
Chocol8
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Same question though. They obviously have limited developer talent and have other things to work on. Why would it make sense to shift focus to supporting third party content when they have other issues to sort out?
I thought this was a different company with different personnel? I honestly have no idea at this point. Hopefully, it'll get clearer tomorrow.
laxu
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Honestly no. If Darkglass is now owned by Korg, then likely there are no ties to Neural DSP. It's two different companies at this point.
JiveTurkey
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I think he's referring to the fact that they used to be together when the whole QC thing rolled out and it's easy to fire up the pitchfork natural human curiosity machine
See also: there's no way this just got developed maybe?
See also: there's no way this just got developed maybe?
Audio Transformer
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Darkglass has the MOD dwarf team with them since it’s been purchased by Korg too.
Mod audio is being all their expertise to Darkglass to make new neural network and digital devices.
It’s NOT RELATED to NDSP.
Darkglass has been sold by NDSP founder Castro and that’s it.
Mod audio is being all their expertise to Darkglass to make new neural network and digital devices.
It’s NOT RELATED to NDSP.
Darkglass has been sold by NDSP founder Castro and that’s it.
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When did Korg acquire it? Did Doug sell it to Korg to fund non-existent QC development??
Interesting how the venture capital takeover of music tech has gone more or less unchecked and unnoticed.
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I don’t know why he sold Darkglass, but probably as NeuralDSP is taking a lot of ressources and time for both founders, I think it was a great decision to sell a niche market brand like Darkglass. Korg did a great move though.
They need to make more guitar related products as it’s a growing market right now and some big shifts are coming, Helix, Kemper and FM3 are now « old » gen products and neural network machine learning trends is opening a new market to competition.
Chinese brand are moving fast but always target low end products for Asia and beginners.
They’re a place for 1k products right now for sure.
IKM and NSDP are going closed source/proprietary NN tech. Open source is now taking off with Dimehead and Darkglass. No doubt other exciting products will come in the next 2-3 years
AFKAEjay(retired)
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Is this unit expected to load vst plugins?
Chocol8
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??? Korg is not a venture capital firm. They are a long-time industry player that has been making music gear since at least the late 60's.
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NeuralDSP secured a lot of funding through VC, although Doug was the CEO. Doug was also the CEO of Darkglass, but I cannot find any information on whether DG was VC funded.
It would not surprise me if VC's had a hand in the sale of DG to Korg.
I never said Korg was a VC company, nor funded by one.
