Cool video about how to mic an amp

[mercifulfuzziness]

Don't overthink it. Any setting that sounds good to you is fine.

Try the "Fredman" mic technique by putting another SM57 in the Dual cab at the exact same position, but with the 45 degree angle setting. Adjust its level to taste.

Personally I don't even use high cuts most of the time, and leave the low cut at something like 60-80 Hz. More drastic low cut can be useful if you are trying to fit it into a mix, but just for playing by yourself you might enjoy the fuller lows.

Also if you have found an IR that just works for you, use that.

Thanks! What does the bolded part do?
And can I just pick the same cab twice?

 

[ian_dissonance]

I’ve seen exactly two videos from this guy now and I would not to be stuck in a room with that dude. Take a half hour to tell you a two minute story and keep saying “Ya know?” Every thirty seconds and wait for a reaction to know you’re still listening.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I mean, if Bukovac doesn’t realize not everyone can just mic a cab due to their living situations, then I think it’s fair to say there’s a part of reality he’s not acknowledging. I can appreciate there are low wattage tube amps that make it possible, but there’s a pretty limited scope of amps that fit that category and in my case, not a single one that does the tones I go for.

I had to wait until my neighbors were gone to put my DRRI on 2 over here. Even if I got a Mesa or Peavey mini-head and mic’d the cab, it’d be a downgrade in what I could do with my AxeFX because I couldn’t even run those loud enough that would make mic’ing a cab worth it.

He acknowledged it? He expressly states that you have to have a good sounding room, etc. to pull it off. I don't get why people think he's giving folks advice on anything other than what he knows -- making records in professional studios.

Dude has played on hundreds and hundreds of albums; was the guy chosen by Joe Walsh and Vince Gill to tour with them as electric guitarist - two well known respected guitar monsters and guitar tone monsters; but some jack ass on the internet that, as far as I'm aware, has never shared a piece of recorded music he has made with the guitar playing community, is going to doubt whether Bukovac knows what he's doing because he chooses to capture low-effort YouTube videos with his iPhone with whatever he can find laying around acting as a tripod and not bothering to mic the amp he's playing through. Of course not all great players know what they're doing gear/tone wise...but not the guys that get called in as side-men to do hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of diverse sessions in all sorts of genres and are nominated guitar player of the year by the country music academy ten times, winning four of those years.

"
Bukovac has played on hundreds of albums, including projects by Dan Auerbach and The Black Keys, Hermanos Gutierrez, Glen Campbell, Gwen Stefani, Kid Rock, Morgan Wallen, Ann Wilson, The Struts, Steven Tyler, Stevie Nicks, Bob Seger, John Oates, Joan Osborne, Vince Gill, Dave Stewart, Joss Stone, Hank Williams Jr., Sheryl Crow, Don Henley, Carrie Underwood, Richard Marx, Rascal Flatts, Keith Urban, Willie Nelson, Martina McBride, Faith Hill, Kenny Loggins, Reba McEntire, Blake Shelton, LeAnn Rimes, Florida Georgia Line, Lionel Richie, among many others.

Bukovac has toured with Ann Wilson (2022 - Fierce Bliss Tour), Joe Walsh (2017) – Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 40th Anniversary Tour; Vince Gill (2016); John Fogerty; Faith Hill; Trigger Hippy; Wynonna Judd; Tanya Tucker, and others. Bukovac is currently a member of The Jim Irsay band."

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

He acknowledged it? He expressly states that you have to have a good sounding room, etc. to pull it off. I don't get why people think he's giving folks advice on anything other than what he knows -- making records in professional studios.

Dude has played on hundreds and hundreds of albums; was the guy chosen by Joe Walsh and Vince Gill to tour with them as electric guitarist - two well known respected guitar monsters and guitar tone monsters; but some jack ass on the internet that, as far as I'm aware, has never shared a piece of recorded music he has made with the guitar playing community, is going to doubt whether Bukovac knows what he's doing because he chooses to capture low-effort YouTube videos with his iPhone with whatever he can find laying around acting as a tripod and not bothering to mic the amp he's playing through. Of course not all great players know what they're doing gear/tone wise...but not the guys that get called in as side-men to do hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of diverse sessions in all sorts of genres and are nominated guitar player of the year by the country music academy ten times, winning four of those years.

"
Bukovac has played on hundreds of albums, including projects by Dan Auerbach and The Black Keys, Hermanos Gutierrez, Glen Campbell, Gwen Stefani, Kid Rock, Morgan Wallen, Ann Wilson, The Struts, Steven Tyler, Stevie Nicks, Bob Seger, John Oates, Joan Osborne, Vince Gill, Dave Stewart, Joss Stone, Hank Williams Jr., Sheryl Crow, Don Henley, Carrie Underwood, Richard Marx, Rascal Flatts, Keith Urban, Willie Nelson, Martina McBride, Faith Hill, Kenny Loggins, Reba McEntire, Blake Shelton, LeAnn Rimes, Florida Georgia Line, Lionel Richie, among many others.

Bukovac has toured with Ann Wilson (2022 - Fierce Bliss Tour), Joe Walsh (2017) – Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 40th Anniversary Tour; Vince Gill (2016); John Fogerty; Faith Hill; Trigger Hippy; Wynonna Judd; Tanya Tucker, and others. Bukovac is currently a member of The Jim Irsay band."

That’s feels a bit like cheating. The black keys using Tom to sound good.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

That’s feels a bit like cheating. The black keys using Tom to sound good.

If music were a competition, perhaps it would be.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

If music were a competition, perhaps it would be.

True true

perhaps it was a “featuring Tom Buk..”

Dr Dre never wrote his own lyrics. Eminem did a lot of it.

Jay-Z wrote The Next Episode.

 

[laxu]

Thanks! What does the bolded part do?
And can I just pick the same cab twice?

Yes you can pick the same cab twice.

Angling the mic changes how it sounds, so basically you are mixing another flavor of SM57 into your base sound. It's a very easy to do technique with real mics, so worth a try on the virtual stuff because it's literally same settings but angled.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Yes you can pick the same cab twice.

Angling the mic changes how it sounds, so basically you are mixing another flavor of SM57 into your base sound. It's a very easy to do technique with real mics, so worth a try on the virtual stuff because it's literally same settings but angled.

Thanks man. Going to do that later on. That probably makes the sound a bit fuller etc.

The more I can do to just leave all the tweaking behind, the better!

 

[dk_ace]

He acknowledged it? He expressly states that you have to have a good sounding room, etc. to pull it off. I don't get why people think he's giving folks advice on anything other than what he knows -- making records in professional studios.

Dude has played on hundreds and hundreds of albums; was the guy chosen by Joe Walsh and Vince Gill to tour with them as electric guitarist - two well known respected guitar monsters and guitar tone monsters; but some jack ass on the internet that, as far as I'm aware, has never shared a piece of recorded music he has made with the guitar playing community, is going to doubt whether Bukovac knows what he's doing because he chooses to capture low-effort YouTube videos with his iPhone with whatever he can find laying around acting as a tripod and not bothering to mic the amp he's playing through. Of course not all great players know what they're doing gear/tone wise...but not the guys that get called in as side-men to do hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of diverse sessions in all sorts of genres and are nominated guitar player of the year by the country music academy ten times, winning four of those years.

"
Bukovac has played on hundreds of albums, including projects by Dan Auerbach and The Black Keys, Hermanos Gutierrez, Glen Campbell, Gwen Stefani, Kid Rock, Morgan Wallen, Ann Wilson, The Struts, Steven Tyler, Stevie Nicks, Bob Seger, John Oates, Joan Osborne, Vince Gill, Dave Stewart, Joss Stone, Hank Williams Jr., Sheryl Crow, Don Henley, Carrie Underwood, Richard Marx, Rascal Flatts, Keith Urban, Willie Nelson, Martina McBride, Faith Hill, Kenny Loggins, Reba McEntire, Blake Shelton, LeAnn Rimes, Florida Georgia Line, Lionel Richie, among many others.

Bukovac has toured with Ann Wilson (2022 - Fierce Bliss Tour), Joe Walsh (2017) – Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 40th Anniversary Tour; Vince Gill (2016); John Fogerty; Faith Hill; Trigger Hippy; Wynonna Judd; Tanya Tucker, and others. Bukovac is currently a member of The Jim Irsay band."

It’s this weird quirk about some of the peeps in the d&m forum. They’re so invested in modeling and the idea that it’s 100% like the real thing that they’ll do crazy things like insist they know better than some of the world’s best studio guys. It blows my mind…

Bukovac, Shawn Tubbs, and Tim Pierce off the top of my head have said they’ve compared modeling tech to the miced cab rigs and they can hear a meaningful difference so they mostly use the mics when it counts. Tubbs said that on the record despite the fact that he’s endorsed by an amp company that sells amps with digital cab modeling built in, and that’s the exact tech he was comparing it to.

I guess the reader can decide for themselves who to believe, rando guys on forums who seem to be leaving logic at the door or the worlds best studio musicians.

My modelers are killer practical tools. I love them. The fact that they aren’t perfect doesn’t change that they’re the right tool for the job for me 90% of the time.

D

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

It’s this weird quirk about some of the peeps in the d&m forum. They’re so invested in modeling and the idea that it’s 100% like the real thing that they’ll do crazy things like insist they know better than some of the world’s best studio guys. It blows my mind…

Bukovac, Shawn Tubbs, and Tim Pierce off the top of my head have said they’ve compared modeling tech to the miced cab rigs and they can hear a meaningful difference so they mostly use the mics when it counts. Tubbs said that on the record despite the fact that he’s endorsed by an amp company that sells amps with digital cab modeling built in, and that’s the exact tech he was comparing it to.

I guess the reader can decide for themselves who to believe, rando guys on forums who seem to be leaving logic at the door or the worlds best studio musicians.

My modelers are killer practical tools. I love them. The fact that they aren’t perfect doesn’t change that they’re the right tool for the job for me 90% of the time.

D

To be fair, I think the other sub-forums probably go in the opposite direction of fetishizing stuff that a lot of these folks would consider pointless -- that Boss GE-7 on Brent Mason's board was not modded at all yet he still found it super useful where loads of folks in various pedals/effects sub-forum would lead you to believe that they are useless without modification.

 

[BahamaDada]

Won't get rude, but Tom always comes to me as Know-It-All, that's why I unsubbed an eternity ago. As @DrewJD82 wonderfully said: I don't have a studio and the possibility to blast a Plexi and a 4x12 at 11 and the $$$ to buy a ton of expensive mics.

Would I love to record *real* tones? Yes. Everyday. All day.

Also hating on modelers is so 2011.

If you sound shitty with a Helix/Fractal/Kemper/Younameit, it's you, your playing and your dialing in and not the device.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

Won't get rude, but Tom always comes to me as Know-It-All, that's why I unsubbed an eternity ago. As @DrewJD82 wonderfully said: I don't have a studio and the possibility to blast a Plexi and a 4x12 at 11 and the $$$ to buy a ton of expensive mics.

Would I love to record *real* tones? Yes. Everyday. All day.

Also hating on modelers is so 2011.

If you sound shitty with a Helix/Fractal/Kemper/Younameit, it's you, your playing and your dialing in and not the device.

I’m pretty sure Tom Bukovac would sound perfectly fine through a modeler.

 

[BahamaDada]

I’m pretty sure Tom Bukovac would sound perfectly fine through a modeler.

I am sure he does and that makes the shitting on modelers even more obsolete.

Dude is a killer player no doubt. Discographies don't lie. He played Wacken with Ann Wilson.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I am sure he does and that makes the shitting on modelers even more obsolete.

Dude is a killer player no doubt. Discographies don't lie. He played Wacken with Ann Wilson.

It’s just… he really feels the difference. But that’s because he is on Tiger woods / Michael Jordan level.

I am learning to twist my hips better with an iron 5. I don’t need a 3000 euro club.

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Would I love to record *real* tones? Yes. Everyday. All day.

It sounds to me like you are shitting on modelers. I mean, this is about all that Bukovac has ever said. Maybe he shit on the Fender Mustang in that one video.

"Hey Doc!! I'm so glad I was able to reach you. I've got this wound -- how should I seal it?"

"Well, first you're gonna want to flush that with a lot of clean water, then sterilize, and probably a few stitches. I would suggest using..."

"DOC!!!! I'm in a cabin in the woods with no running water!! All I've got is a bottle of booze and some crazy glue!!"

"Uh, okay. Why'd you call me then?"

 

[laxu]

It’s this weird quirk about some of the peeps in the d&m forum. They’re so invested in modeling and the idea that it’s 100% like the real thing that they’ll do crazy things like insist they know better than some of the world’s best studio guys. It blows my mind…

I've done my own comparisons and gotten various modelers from the current gen firmly into the "eh, I don't care if there's a difference" territory. I'm going to trust that experience, while acknowledging that I might not be completely right. I've had my fair share of "this sounds fantastic" to some firmware update making it even better sounding somehow.

I've also done my own comparisons with mics vs IRs, and again come to the conclusion that IRs compare very favorably to what the mic picked up.

But hey, what do I know. I'm just some jackass with no credentials. Do they hand out the "golden hearing" ability with your first gold record, or do you need to go triple platinum?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

Do they hand out the "golden hearing" ability with your first gold record, or do you need to go triple platinum?

No, but you do gain experience recording in an actual recording studio, where the results of micing a cab and a room very well might be a bit different than what someone might get close mic’ing an amp in an apartment.

 

[dk_ace]

To be fair, I think the other sub-forums probably go in the opposite direction of fetishizing stuff that a lot of these folks would consider pointless -- that Boss GE-7 on Brent Mason's board was not modded at all yet he still found it super useful where loads of folks in various pedals/effects sub-forum would lead you to believe that they are useless without modification.

I agree, just not with your example lol. If you win the lottery and get a ge-7 that is quiet, no modding needed. If you get a noisy one and you’re doing session work, you’ll be sending that to analogman straight away…

D

 

[dk_ace]

I've done my own comparisons and gotten various modelers from the current gen firmly into the "eh, I don't care if there's a difference" territory. I'm going to trust that experience, while acknowledging that I might not be completely right. I've had my fair share of "this sounds fantastic" to some firmware update making it even better sounding somehow.

I've also done my own comparisons with mics vs IRs, and again come to the conclusion that IRs compare very favorably to what the mic picked up.

But hey, what do I know. I'm just some jackass with no credentials. Do they hand out the "golden hearing" ability with your first gold record, or do you need to go triple platinum?

“Comparing favorably” and being “100% just as good” are not the same thing.

They don’t hand it out after one good record. I forget if it’s after the first, second, or third decade of first class work, but I’m pretty sure it’s one of those.

D

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

“Comparing favorably” and being “100% just as good” are not the same thing.

They don’t hand it out after one good record. I forget if it’s after the first, second, or third decade of first class work, but I’m pretty sure it’s one of those.

D

I tend to think the golden ears don’t come with the 53rd invitation/recording, but that the 53rd invitation is a recognition that the person is delivering something special.