Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)

[Boudoir Guitar]

That's some yuck on yum right there

I thought that...but then couldn't really think of who was yumming on this thing so just went with Debbie Downer instead

 

[[Nathan]]

Well things just got a lot more interesting with NAM:

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Check it out here: https://www.neuralampmodeler.com/post/tonezone3000-training-made-simple

Definitely a much “simpler” approach and requires less hardware cause no reamps. Wonder if the end result will be similar with 30 seconds of bashing vs the couple minute training file. It makes logical sense that a training file of some kind would produce more consistent results but I guess anything is possible in the real world.

 

[2dor]

Definitely a much “simpler” approach and requires less hardware cause no reamps. Wonder if the end result will be similar with 30 seconds of bashing vs the couple minute training file. It makes logical sense that a training file of some kind would produce more consistent results but I guess anything is possible in the real world.

I suspect it's the same principle: the more data that goes in, the better the model that gets produced (guess the "rubbish in > rubbish out" reverse applies too)

 

[Cellomangler]

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That sounds more like the way AudioSprockets' ToneDexter works for its profiling of mic'ed guitars. In fact, I believe I could use my ToneDexter to capture cabinet profiles - to be used only within the device of course.

 

[[Nathan]]

"rubbish in > rubbish out" reverse applies too)

So all my riffs will make rubbish profiles

I’ll give it a test, might do a video. It’ll be interesting if it yields virtually the same results as a trainer files would save heaps of time. Might even be worth making my own 30 seconds training file and using that with this method, hybrid approach

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

So all my riffs will make rubbish profiles

I’ll give it a test, might do a video. It’ll be interesting if it yields virtually the same results as a trainer files would save heaps of time. Might even be worth making my own 30 seconds training file and using that with this method, hybrid approach

IIRC, I think 2 minutes audio is the minimum for wet/dry training.

 

[Cellomangler]

This project is looking very interesting. The demo running NAM doesn't do it justice as it sounds pretty horrid (not NAM, the demo) but I bet this puppy would run Tonocracy just fine.
Paint Audio CE1 demo with NAM

 

[Sascha Franck]

This project is looking very interesting. The demo running NAM doesn't do it justice as it sounds pretty horrid (not NAM, the demo) but I bet this puppy would run Tonocracy just fine.
Paint Audio CE1 demo with NAM

Weird device. If this is supposed to be a floor unit, the switches seem to be way too close to each other.
But uhm, even worse, I just noticed that this isn't even a mobile Windows version. No touchscreen operation all throughout the video and all onscreen actions performed with the mouse.

 

[Cellomangler]

Weird device. If this is supposed to be a floor unit, the switches seem to be way too close to each other.
But uhm, even worse, I just noticed that this isn't even a mobile Windows version. No touchscreen operation all throughout the video and all onscreen actions performed with the mouse.

It is a touch screen - If you go back and look at earlier videos on the product you'll see. They mentioned that being a small screen touch can be tricky so that a keyboard and mouse option is actually easier, which really makes sense to me as you are displaying Windows applications which are not designed for touch. Not sure what you mean by "not a mobile Windows version." It does run Windows. I'm not trying to sell the product at all. I like Tonocracy but I can run it on a small laptop just fine. And then truth be told, now that I've got a Nano Cortex, I'm pretty much done for a bit.

 

[Sedaxel]

Weird device. If this is supposed to be a floor unit, the switches seem to be way too close to each other.
But uhm, even worse, I just noticed that this isn't even a mobile Windows version. No touchscreen operation all throughout the video and all onscreen actions performed with the mouse.

And, I've read somewhere that it's an N200 CPU (not a very capable computer), with an USB audio interface connected internally (via USB, I mean) throwing around 7ms latency.

I know I always sound pessimistic with this device (and others in that style), but I think it's a pretty meh computer, with meh interface. For me, it's still much worthy an average laptop (I've got a 300€ one that would wipe the floor with the CE1) with a midi controller and an interface of your choice, if you want a computer based rig.

Meh...

 

[banned]

This project is looking very interesting. The demo running NAM doesn't do it justice as it sounds pretty horrid (not NAM, the demo) but I bet this puppy would run Tonocracy just fine.
Paint Audio CE1 demo with NAM

I don't think I could buy a device like that ... seeing actual Windows OS on the screen. I feel that they should have abstracted that layer away and at least put a wrapper around it.

 

[Sascha Franck]

They mentioned that being a small screen touch can be tricky so that a keyboard and mouse option is actually easier, which really makes sense to me as you are displaying Windows applications which are not designed for touch.

In that case they should run touch-optimized programs. Such as Bitwig or Gig Performer. I think it's looking pretty nonsensical in that presentation. I'd rather use a proper laptop instead. Unless the unit was supposed to sit on the floor. But in that case, proper touch navigation would be a must. So that's a full circle already...

Not sure what you mean by "not a mobile Windows version."

A version that becomes more touch friendly. Such as what you find on convertible laptops. Not sure it's doing that already, certainly doesn't look like it in the video.

And, I've read somewhere that it's an N200 CPU (not a very capable computer), with an USB audio interface connected internally (via USB, I mean) throwing around 7ms latency.

That's not even remotely decent then.

For me, it's still much worthy an average laptop (I've got a 300€ one that would wipe the floor with the CE1) with a midi controller and an interface of your choice, if you want a computer based rig.

Well, bringing a laptop to a gig is causing headaches for guitar players. Been there. "Where to place the thing?" is where it all starts. And it's not an easy question to answer.
The keyboard has to be protected at all costs, because once any moisture is spilled over it, you're done. Yeah, there might be some protective layers, still allowing you to operate the thing, but I haven't seen much (if any) sufficient arrangements of any such a setup - at least not for guitar players.
Your best bet might possibly be a Macbook Air or so, that you could just boot, then start all programs you need, then close it and place it in a rack drawer. All further edit actions would have to happen remotely.
And while such a setup certainly is most promising, at one point it'll also start to become at least somewhat expensive. You'd need a quality audio interface, a floor controller, cases for everything and what not. Then add at least some software.
I calculated what a rather cheap-ish setup of that kind would cost me and it'd defenitely exceed €2k - sure, one could buy a refurbished Macbook and other used parts, but for such a kind of experiment, I'd prefer to buy things covered by warranties.

This is why I'd be sort of interested in a ready-to-roll device, but so far I haven't seen anything I'd really consider decent.

 

[DLC86]

Has anyone used Tonocracy lately? I just tried doing a couple captures and the upload goes on forever, the account sync doesn't work either (error 401)... it looks like they shut down the server.
Does this mean the project is dead? (Not that I'd be surprised...)

 

[EOengineer]

Has anyone used Tonocracy lately? I just tried doing a couple captures and the upload goes on forever, the account sync doesn't work either (error 401)... it looks like they shut down the server.
Does this mean the project is dead? (Not that I'd be surprised...)

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

I've just sent an email over to Tom I will let you know if I find out anything more / or perhaps someone at Atomic can respond here if they get a minute.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Still right on their home page. Lame if it’s now not working. But free is free, and Atomic be Atomic.

 

[nicolasrivera]

Has anyone used Tonocracy lately? I just tried doing a couple captures and the upload goes on forever, the account sync doesn't work either (error 401)... it looks like they shut down the server.
Does this mean the project is dead? (Not that I'd be surprised...)

I forced my self to stop using tonocrazy months ago, i new it was going no where and will be dead eventually. Too bad, it was a good concept.

 

[Blix]

Classic Atomic

 

[nicolasrivera]

Classic Atomic

Yep. At least he is consistent in that regard!