Atomic Tonocracy (Inc NAM support)

I can't remember why at the moment but I think there is a good reason for not accepting relative paths and such. It's not super convenient if you have more than one workstation, but I was able to find my own workaround by mapping network drives so that the paths would be the same no matter which PC I'm on and that's worked great for me.

Other alternatives include encoding and embedding the files into the project file state as some plugins do but also not a great solution
 
Thing is, there should be a decent way to back up things for each and every plugin using external files to function.
Software sampler makers have finally realized how important this is, but modeler makers apparently haven't. As said, it's the worst with the Helix (true for both hard- and software). In case an IR is missing, the patch will be broken. HX Edit (or Helix Native) won't even tell you the name of the missing IR.
The weirdest thing being that the two major operating systems have excellent search options built in. So all it'd take is to link to them.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Lost total recall *is* a big thing. Imagine you're moving systems. Or you just want to take a project to another computer.
Some of that stuff will become incredibly laborious.



Obviously, that doesn't help as I'd still have to read and type the name manually - and once the file is found, I'd still have to show it to the player.

File management is an incredibly crucial thing with plugins (or hardware) using external files.
It's also a huge, never adressed issue in Line 6 Helix land. Their IR system is the worst in the world (in case you're missing one, there's no way to get it back unless you took notes manually beforehand).
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Export your IRs when you back up your Helix and they all come out with the number of the location.
 
ian_dissonance said:
Export your IRs when you back up your Helix and they all come out with the number of the location.
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I know that. But it's irrelevant (besides, the number of the location doesn't matter anymore, as soon as an IR is loaded, the Helix will find the proper one regardless of the location). I simply want to know which IR is missing in case that happens. So I can have a look whether I have it somewhere. As easy as that. And that's impossible.
 
I'm not sure whether anyone is still using this or not, but I have just uploaded a couple of captures of a Victory Kraken V4 preamp through a Marshall DSL 40CR power section and also through a Mesa Boogie Single Rectifier power section as an experiment to see what differences it makes. The Marshall is brighter. Different valves obviously, but I have been quite impressed with the Kraken V4 preamp so far.
 
With NAM player, we need to turn down the Input knob to get the propper level settings with the different captures.
I got this help from 2dor..
(The Quad Cortex has a maximum input gain rating of +15 dBu on the 1Mohm IN1.
You need to adjust the NAM plugin input gain by 15 dBu - 22.903 dBu (that's what the Badlander was set to) = -7.903 dB)
This was when using the NAM player


I use my Quad Cortex as my audio interface, and I like to use Tonocracy as a NAM file loader.

If I use my QC, what and were should I set the Interface Volume ? or Gain setting on the Input block in Tonocracy?
Can any of you guys help with this?
Tonocrocy input settings.png
 
SeeD said:
With NAM player, we need to turn down the Input knob to get the propper level settings with the different captures.
I got this help from 2dor..
(The Quad Cortex has a maximum input gain rating of +15 dBu on the 1Mohm IN1.
You need to adjust the NAM plugin input gain by 15 dBu - 22.903 dBu (that's what the Badlander was set to) = -7.903 dB)
This was when using the NAM player


I use my Quad Cortex as my audio interface, and I like to use Tonocracy as a NAM file loader.

If I use my QC, what and were should I set the Interface Volume ? or Gain setting on the Input block in Tonocracy?
Can any of you guys help with this?
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Been a while since I used Tonocracy, but I think you can set interface level to 15dBu, and then gain to -7dB
 
MirrorProfiles said:
still been very quiet. Hopefully there's just a big refresh on the way rather than abandonment.

Will be interesting to see if they adopt the new calibration metadata that is coming to NAM very soon.
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Ah, yes...that company with a history of limited support of their paid-for hardware products is absolutely hard at work updating their free software product!

I'm guessing any work they are doing at this point is on whatever the complimentary hardware product was that they had in mind for this thing, that seems likely to be a day late and a dollar short by the time it arrives.

Oops. Sorry.
debbie downer GIF
 
Boudoir Guitar said:
Ah, yes...that company with a history of limited support of their paid-for hardware products is absolutely hard at work updating their free software product!

I'm guessing any work they are doing at this point is on whatever the complimentary hardware product was that they had in mind for this thing, that seems likely to be a day late and a dollar short by the time it arrives.

Oops. Sorry.
debbie downer GIF
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IK is kind of running rampant in that regard. How long did it take between the Nano Cortex being unveiled and IK announcing more FX for ToneX? They're absolutely ruthless with pushing ToneX as THE capture platform, there isn't really time for false starts or sitting on your hands.

Tonocracy's launch felt rushed at the time, and it doesn't really seem like any of that was particularly helpful (hasn't helped the public perception, they had to refund customers, ended up making the entire product free). It still feels more like a prototype/mockup to me than a complete product.

I hope it pans out well, there's too much good stuff in there for it to go to waste.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Been a while since I used Tonocracy, but I think you can set interface level to 15dBu, and then gain to -7dB
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Thanks!

And if I could ask for one more thing, I have a Steinberg UR 22 mkII soundcard, but I dont see the in / out info on the website.. wierd.
I wonder what the interface level would be and maybe the Gain ??
https://www.steinberg.net/audio-interfaces/ur22c-recording-pack/ur22mkii/

I feel this type of thing are a bit hard to get my head around, and I dont think im alone..haha
 
SeeD said:
Thanks!

And if I could ask for one more thing, I have a Steinberg UR 22 mkII soundcard, but I dont see the in / out info on the website.. wierd.
I wonder what the interface level would be and maybe the Gain ??
https://www.steinberg.net/audio-interfaces/ur22c-recording-pack/ur22mkii/

I feel this type of thing are a bit hard to get my head around, and I dont think im alone..haha
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From the manual/tech specs:

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8.5dBV=10.72dBu You can convert between V/dBu/dBV etc here: https://www.analog.com/en/resources/interactive-design-tools/dbconvert.html

The gain range shows from -0.7dB, so it COULD be 11.4dBu of headroom at minimum. Some manufacturers include the maximum factoring in the negative range of the preamp, some just base it off the A/D. You'd need to measure it (or compare to a known value) if you want to be sure about that 0.7dB difference.

I think these interfaces are some of the more noisy ones out there, but 10-11dBu is going to be quite close to clipping (if not clipping) with humbuckers already.
 
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MirrorProfiles said:
From the manual/tech specs:

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8.5dBV=10.72dBu You can convert between V/dBu/dBV etc here: https://www.analog.com/en/resources/interactive-design-tools/dbconvert.html

The gain range shows from -0.7dB, so it COULD be 11.4dBu of headroom at minimum. Some manufacturers include the maximum factoring in the negative range of the preamp, some just base it off the A/D. You'd need to measure it (or compare to a known value) if you want to be sure about that 0.7dB difference.

I think these interfaces are some of the more noisy ones out there, but 10-11dBu is going to be quite close to clipping (if not clipping) with humbuckers already.
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Thanks! a lot

So interface level at 10 isj and were to set the Gain?
This is all greek to me, sorry!

Tonocrocy input settings.png
 
SeeD said:
Thanks! a lot

So interface level at 10 isj and were to set the Gain?
This is all greek to me, sorry!

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I’d set interface gain to minimum, plugin interface level to 11dBu (in between 10.7 and 11.4) and then use the gain control to adjust for the NAM model you’re using. If you’re using Tonocracy tonesnaps or the schemaccurate models, keep the gain at 0 as it adjusts automatically.

If you’re using 2dor’s 22dBu models, your 11dBu signal is 11dB louder than the model is expecting.

To remember which way to boost or cut:

A higher dBu number=more headroom, so the same signal would have a lower dBFS value (further away from clipping 0dBFS). Less headroom=the same signal would be closer to 0dBFS.
 
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